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  1. #1
    barbapapa
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    Video training

    Hi everyone, I started fencing couple months ago and was wondering if it
    would help to buy those "TYSHLER" videos so I can practice on my own at
    home. Anybody have tried those videos? Are they any good?

    Thanks.



  2. #2
    Jonathan Jefferies
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    Re: Video training

    The oft stated rule of thumb is that videos and books don't
    don't teach you fencing. Only a maestro/coach and frequent
    bouting to test what you've been taught will educate you
    properly.

    That said, over the years/centuries there have been numerous
    books written and within recent history likewise videos.
    For my part I think a really good book will help a fencer put
    what they've learned into an contextual framework. Which is
    very useful. Likewise if you learn by "monkey see, monkey do"
    as I do then watching the occasional video may be enlightening.
    But if the choice were one lesson or one video - I'd go with
    the lesson.

    Jonathan

    P.S. While I have copies of the more common literary references
    including a photo copy of Silver's "Paradoxes of Defense" as
    well as Nadi's and Gaugler's books so far I've found the most
    recent translation of Imre Vass's "Epee Fencing a complete
    system" to be the most useful practical book. On the other
    hand if you want a very readable background book I personally
    recommend Christoph Amberger's "The Secret History of the
    Sword". Which I must confess is one of the few that I've actually
    been able to read from cover to cover.


    barbapapa wrote:
    > Hi everyone, I started fencing couple months ago and was wondering if it
    > would help to buy those "TYSHLER" videos so I can practice on my own at
    > home. Anybody have tried those videos? Are they any good?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    >



  3. #3
    Zebee Johnstone
    Guest

    Re: Video training

    In rec.sport.fencing on Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:01:28 -0800
    Jonathan Jefferies <jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> wrote:
    >very useful. Likewise if you learn by "monkey see, monkey do"
    >as I do then watching the occasional video may be enlightening.
    >But if the choice were one lesson or one video - I'd go with
    >the lesson.
    >


    Mainly, I think, because it's very hard to do *properly*. Even with a
    mirror, if you don't have an experienced eye looking at what you are
    doing, you can miss a lot.

    Anyone who has taught knows the weird feeling of seeing someone do a
    manouevere, finding nothing wrong, and having a more experienced
    teacher point out all sorts of mistakes. That you never saw.

    Even if you are of the "form doesn't matter" school, you can still end
    up praticing things that are counter-productive and you'll find that
    out the hard way.

    If you've been fencing for long enough to have good kinesthetics,
    good, feeol for what your body is doing and how that translates to
    good fencing, then you can probably work things out from a book or
    video. But if you are a novice, it's all equally weird, and you won't
    realise you have been practicing it wrong until you try to use it,
    find it's hopeless, and have to unlearn all that body memory.

    Books are good for theory - for strategy, for some understanding of
    how it fits together. And also for reminders, a way to remember some
    of what you were just taught. But not for learning physical things
    from...

    Zebee

  4. #4
    Wolf
    Guest

    Re: Video training

    > Mainly, I think, because it's very hard to do *properly*. Even with a
    > mirror, if you don't have an experienced eye looking at what you are
    > doing, you can miss a lot.
    >
    > Anyone who has taught knows the weird feeling of seeing someone do a
    > manouevere, finding nothing wrong, and having a more experienced
    > teacher point out all sorts of mistakes. That you never saw.


    I think the odder feeling is watching someone do something, know there's
    something wrong about it, but be unable to determine *what* is wrong.

    -Bill



  5. #5
    TS
    Guest

    Re: Video training



    Skip it...or I'll sell you mine for cheap. Its the tyshler Foil CD.

    "barbapapa" <axel_b52@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:BxoX9.1777$x9.507194@twister.socal.rr.com...
    > Hi everyone, I started fencing couple months ago and was wondering if it
    > would help to buy those "TYSHLER" videos so I can practice on my own at
    > home. Anybody have tried those videos? Are they any good?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    >




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