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If there was a tournament where you showed up with your grip and the host fitted it to a foil (or epee) that was identical to everyone else’s, i.e. Stock, that you had to use for that day, would you fence in it?
If there was a tournament where you showed up with your grip and the host fitted it to a foil (or epee) that was identical to everyone else’s, i.e. Stock, that you had to use for that day, would you fence in it?
Right-of-way doesn't matter if there is a single light.
I'm not sure I understand. You bring only a handle and the organizer provides the blade, guard, pommel, socket and pad?Originally Posted by jkormann
I suppose if that's the case I probably would, but I don't think I'd understand the point.
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Yes, you show up with your favorite grip, or use one supplied by the event.
The point would be to look at people's fencing with the same weapons. Remove as many variables as possible which may give an edge. Example would be all blades are new, checked by the armorers and ready to be used.
Like what stock car racing was supposed to be, except the equipment are issued by the vendor the day of to ensure conformity.
Right-of-way doesn't matter if there is a single light.
My quibble would be that at least with epee the thing that is most likely to introduce variables is the grip, more specifically the French vs pistol at epee. The bend characteristics of the blade might skew things like flickery, but guard, socket, point, etc are largely irrelevant except for weight and durability. Pistol or French will inevitably affect tactical decisions, but I can't say that I've noticed any difference between how a fencer with a pistol grip and a LP blade fences as compared to a similar fencer with a pistol grip with a vniti blade.
If however we're talking about a tournament where all I have to do is provide a grip and not blow the $200 or so on the rest of the parts of a weapon (times at least two) and a typical tournament entry fee, then I would absolutely register.
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I'm quite disappointed. I was expecting something to do with home made soup
I'm happy to answer pointed questions as respectfully as my mood permits
Right! Like, everyone bring a nice soup, and then before every DE the referee tastes both soups and awards some number of touches to the person with the best soup to start the bout.I'm quite disappointed. I was expecting something to do with home made soup
K O'N
you'll roux the day...
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Right-of-way doesn't matter if there is a single light.
Since I fence sabre---no.
In fact: Hell no.
Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
Just a few of the questions that come to mind ...
Do you think your fencers lose bouts because they are faced with superior weaponry? (damn, my Vniti was no match for her BF Blue...)
If someone showed up to your tournament, and reported to the strip with a weapon that failed inspection, would you card them? (wouldn't you have to?)
If the two weapons you provided broke during the fencing, would you card them? (wouldn't you have to?)
If one of the weapons broke and someone got injured, would your insurance cover the lawsuit?
Would someone expect an event run by the person(s) that dreamed up this scheme to be otherwise well run?
Added #s above to keep track.
1) Dunno. Some fencers are used to certain characteristics of their gear. This would be an attempt to reduce any variables and find a person who is better skilled in general, rather than being better skilled with their gear.
2) Change out the weapon. The weapons belong to the event and the event would be responsible for keeping your gear going.
3) I don't see why.
4) Good question. That's why laywers would get involved. I imagine it would be like someone fencing with Club loaded gear and were injured.
5) Dunno. That's why I'm throwing the question out there.
Right-of-way doesn't matter if there is a single light.
I guess I'm still missing the point of this thought experiment though. If you want to eliminate variables by standardizing blades, points, guards, sockets and bell pads but allow individual choice in handle you're pretty much overlooking the greatest source of variability at least for epee. French vs pistol has far greater impact on how a fencer fences than what sort of blade or guard they prefer or even what sort of pistol grip they use. For example if I see someone with a Belgian and a LP blade I don't really make any assumptions about their technique compared with someone with a vniti and a visconti. If I see someone with a LP tennis racket handle though I'd be pretty comfortable making some initial assumptions about their probable tactics no matter what sort of blade they have.
I don't really know how this breaks down for the other weapons. Are the characteristics of blades and guards that significant that the handle becomes irrelevant?
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#1. So wouldn't any fencers that happened to use the same type of blades you provided in this event to have an unfair advantage?
#2 and #3: Would you expect to be allowed to have these events sanctioned? The rules don't care who owns the non-conforming equipment.
#4. I imagine there is a difference between choosing to use someone else's dangerous equipment and being forced to.
Snork.
No.
First, it would be expensive. N fencers, minimum of 2N bare wired blades, sockets, bells and pads all ready to loan out, with N/10 or so broken over the course of the day. Then, what, N/4 or N/6 armourers there to cut and cant tangs, install grips, hammer on Coach Reith grips, etc? Then at the end of the day then have to pull all the grips off and return them, and you have a huge pile of once-new blades which are now reduced in value by about half, and a few broken blades? How much are you planning to charge for this thing? Oh, that much? No, I wouldn't pay that.
Also, there's no such thing as a large batch of identical blades. They vary. You'd go to all this trouble and still some people would have stiffer blades than others.
After all, what would I get? I'd get to fence with a borrowed epee. I've done that. It's fine, but I don't pay extra for it. And if anyone did, for some reason, the results wouldn't change much. The same people would win. Really, "My Vniti was no match for her BF FIE!", it's just not something you hear people saying, and there's a reason for that.
There are competitions that do something like this. At the Hobie 16 worlds you don't bring your own boat, they provide boats. In Modern Pentathlon, you bring a horse but everyone trades horses or something. Why? Well, it's hard to put a Hobie 16 in your luggage, and a cat that's been raced once is not nearly as reduced in value as a BF FIE that's been fenced with for a day. And the horses, there it is reasonable to say there's a big difference in the horse and that's why I lost, I guess. But with foils? No. You did not lose because she had a better foil. You just didn't, I promise.
K O'N
I get the point! I withdraw the idea!
Right-of-way doesn't matter if there is a single light.
Can we go back to the soup idea and expand it to a full Masterchef/Masterstab biathlon instead then?
I'm happy to answer pointed questions as respectfully as my mood permits
Hummm...
* 64+ fencers
* 1 gross peeled/diced carrots
* 4 gross diced onion
* 2 gross diced cellery bunches
* 15 heads of garlic dozen slightly cracked
* 1 lb salt
* 4 large bunches each of tyme, rosemary, Sage, Marjoram: chopped finely
* 1/4 cup gound black pepper
Mix Carrots, Celery, Onion, Salt, Pepper, garlic and herbs in large vat.
Take mixture and spread evenly inside the uniforms of each fencer and allow fencers to fence for the day without allowing them to open or remove clothing until their final DE.
Remove contents of uniform into vat and run uniform thorugh fabric wringer to remove excess stock.
Return uniform to fencers.
Boil resulting mixture until 1/3 of liquid has evaporated.
Result: Fencing Stock
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