fatalities: why 71% epee, 100% men?

[buccaneer]

Originally posted by Dav3ey
It's been a while for me, so be gentle -- but could they have been using Student's t-scores to account for the low sample size?


(Another thread goes quantitative! )

Of course a huge multi-center study has higher chances to be published in a major journal but there are topics where sample size isn't everthing. For example "allergic asthma caused by fungus on grapes (case study)" or "xyz tea causes nephitis"...

ad spelling: is a spell-check planned?

[pkt]

135711,

You are one of the few people who knows how to use 'comprised' properly. Good for you. 'BugabooX's observations notwithstanding
"3. Ever notice how someone with nothing useful to contribute will start picking on syntax and spelling errors instead?"

Chinese people are notorious for not responding to surveys, face-to-face or otherwise. I did phone solicitations for a political course, I almost can recite the answers before the respondents responds.

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"one study showed that the people of india have more perfect symetry in their bodies than do people of other ethnicity. Thus, they are better able to do certain athletic feats. Martial arts actually began in India..."

135711,

How many good atheletes from India do you see other than the cricketers competing in the Cricket World Cup this past week?

What kind of martial arts are you talking about? I s'pose it's now a lost art.

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BugabooX et al,

Women do their damages in a manner different from men. the rhetorical question about size is a good example.

I've given two excellent examples of 'electrocutions' in fencing in the "Craziest Accidents On The Strip" thread. One fatal one non-.

Could this be the 20th time? You know the disclaimer: accurate to within ±3%, 19 times out of 20.

PK

[pkt]

135711,


"...nerves are shot..."

not to mention the fires in the partying places. The space shuttle burning up on return.

Dubya's insistence on doing in Saddam.

the economy is shot as a result.

makes one wnat ot go fence and beat some heads.

Hey, perhaps, that's what Dubya needs:
Is there anyone reading this thread from DC?
Perhaps if we can get Dubya to fencing it will cure him of this obsession with Saddam.

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A muslim man from India... He does like to live dangerously, doesn't he?

I guess I'll have to research this topic.

The first time I was told by a pizza maker that pizza was a Chinese invention I thought he was pulling my legs. But no, he was right: Had Marco Polo not gone to China, it would have taken the Italians a lot longer to 'discover' pasta etc.

PK

[Inquartata]

The theory is that the idea from which EMA sprang was occasioned by the exercises done by Indian ascetics who were spreading Buddhism, if I recall correctly. IOW it wasn't yet a martial art, but the Chinese made it into one, or rather several. Not sure I buy it, as there have been unarmed combat forms elsewhere for a long, long time, and they probably predate the use of weapons...when they became systematized is another question...

[pkt]

135711,

Work of art belongs in situ, not in museums except in extreme situations like in Roma where air pollution is so bad that no man or beast belong outside.

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I don't remember Shakyamuni being linked to martial art of any form sep. given that he was a peace - loving man.

http://www.ezlink.com/~dozer/fc_sgi/...hakyamuni2.htm

I can see the link between the Buddhist monks and martial arts: Shao-lin priests and the fame of the Tibetan monks in Chinese martial arts novels.

I guess Indian martial arts must have one the same way as the Kamasutra in India itself. Have you seen any Bollywood movies lately? Not even kissing is permitted on screen.

Hey, at the risk of being called a 'Threadmeister' again, what has this got to do with 'Fatalities,,,"

PK

[DHCJr]

I agree with you in principle. The problem is where is that art work now? As 135711 said they were destroyed. If they would have been taken to a museum, they would be available, even in a diminished state. Now they don't exist at all. I also agree that I wish they had been put in a museum.

[Purple Fencer]

Originally posted by BugabooX


7. Anyone remember that episode of "Magnum P.I." where the guy got electrocuted while he was fencing? I forget which weapon he was using. [/B]

I thought I was the only one who remembered that episode!

It was epee...like a wire's going to hold enough charge to kill someone!

Here's a Q for the electrical guys on the board...would an epee wires from the early 80s be able to carry enough amperage to kill someone, even with a direct touch over the heart, through a jacket? I'd think the wire would blow out at the body cord socket...

[DHCJr]

I was told that this actually happened. In South America (220 volts) a machine was repaired that brought the ground to the hot. It was a hot day and the fencer was sweating profusely. Leaned up against one of those old steam heaters on the wall. It was turned off as it was summer. That was all she wrote! I was not there and I got it second hand, but I feel from a reliable source. Those old boxes carried a lot more current than modern boxes. Sometimes they would have two sets of batteries under a table, so they could change batteries during the day. With the modern boxes, you could run the machines for 2 or 3 days.

[edew]

Originally posted by Purple Fencer
I thought I was the only one who remembered that episode!

It was epee...like a wire's going to hold enough charge to kill someone!

Here's a Q for the electrical guys on the board...would an epee wires from the early 80s be able to carry enough amperage to kill someone, even with a direct touch over the heart, through a jacket? I'd think the wire would blow out at the body cord socket...

It was foil. The guy who hires Magnum PI took the italian foil out of an ornate box to practice with. he even wore a lame.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Purple fencer wrote:
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Here's a Q for the electrical guys on the board...would an epee wires from the early 80s be able to carry enough amperage to kill someone, even with a direct touch over the heart, through a jacket? I'd think the wire would blow out at the body cord socket...
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A few years ago, the fuse had gone in my club´s old (50ies, I think) Soviet box. Problem was that this did not show - lamps wents off at correct time. I was sweating a lot, and tried to lift the thing to a better place. Big mistake. The covering of the box was now under a potential of 220 V, and when my sweaty hands lifted the thing I got 220 V from hand to hand, though my heart. (I had uncoupled my wire) I jumped up at least 3 feet, and felt my heart cramp *hard*. Painful like hell. It took me at least 15 minutes of shaking until I was fit for fight again.

Even if the wire would blow out at the body cord socket, the amount of electricity transmitted before that could well kill someone with a less than perfect heart. There are several deaths recorded (non-fencing) where the heart has been subjected to electric shock for only a short instant, but that has been enough to kill the person.

Peter Gustafsson

[Jason]

Originally posted by edew
It was foil. The guy who hires Magnum PI took the italian foil out of an ornate box to practice with. he even wore a lame.

I'll second that.
Definately foil.
It was the only touch that Higgins got and, gee wiz, he killed the guy.
And Higgins was definately less than becoming in knickers.

[mfp]

Originally posted by Jason
I'll second that.
Definately foil.

Yep.

The episode was called "Foiled Again" and was number 48 of 162 (!) episodes.

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet...67/epid-16043/

One of the writers for the episode was Tom Greene, who supposedly had fenced some foil himself.

[Adam]

You can die fencing?

[edew]

You can die sitting on the can reading the WSJ, too. But what are the odds?

[Inquartata]

So, in the Magnum episode it was electric foil? And yet as I recall there were no lames in evidence, only the fencing whites. Foil fenced as epee?

Stupid television shows.

[The_Claw]

meow

[Jason]

Originally posted by Inquartata
So, in the Magnum episode it was electric foil? And yet as I recall there were no lames in evidence, only the fencing whites. Foil fenced as epee?

Stupid television shows.

Blasphemy!!!

There were, in fact, lames--big, fat Higgins-sized lames.

[The_Claw]

creative license. i don't know why anyone feels it's necessary or important to give lengthly explanations about the different weapons when they're just preparing for a show, or even in the script. if it's important to the plot for example, the victim could ONLY have been an epeeist, then i can see the need for it. but it is a little sloppy when the producer puts an epee adventure into a foil plot, oh well!

the only kind of movie or plays that i can think of for fencing would be 1. a true story about an olympian, maybe the woman french epeeist, [by the way, when she went to compete and the press was after 'her story', they wrapped her in silver "Foil", even though she's an epeeist], maybe an intriguing spy-novel which takes place in the ny athletic club, and the spy happens to be an epeeist, who gets chased by an old cold-war enemy, and then complications arise as the asian competitors sence something happening, and they send a spy in, then it gets worser as the nyc eppee spy tries to get away from them, and gets followed by the cold-war spy, and almost ends up dead, but they get the wrong person. It could be good.

Anyone like Smiley's People?

[fred]

Originally posted by Jason
I'll second that.
Definately foil.
It was the only touch that Higgins got and, gee wiz, he killed the guy.
And Higgins was definately less than becoming in knickers.

I'll second the comment on Higgins' sartorial splendor in whites!

It was also the only episode where Higgins killed anyone, which is some kind of observation of fencing's lethality. i guess. Maybe.

"Oh come now, Magnum...."