Andrea Lagan and the USFA have (one again) parted ways?

[heretic]

The word is out that Andrea Lagan is no longer in the employ of USFencing.

Anyone know why?

[edew]

I C what you did there.

[eliotness]

Andrea was re-hired, against objections by some members of the board, by ED Dilworth, who promised to take full responsibility for the hiring.
Now, surprise surprise, she was evidently fired again.
According to some within the inner circle, Andrea was fired for her behavior in Reno at the Zonals.

Her long history of past transgressions caused members of the board to question Dilworth's unconditional support.

Evidently, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Dilworth certainly didn't learn. At what point does the board learn from history and call into question Dilworth's credibility?

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Andrea was re-hired, against objections by some members of the board, by ED Dilworth, who promised to take full responsibility for the hiring.

This is not my understanding; frankly I do not think that it would be Ms.Lagan's either.

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Anyone know why?

Yes - the sole reason she left is in order to provoke an extremely sympathetic and insightful post from you on F.Net.
"Mission accomplished."

[eliotness]

MightyMouse,

Here you come to save the day! But, there's nothing you can say or do which will save the day for Andrea (who was fired...again) or Dilworth, who took responsibility for hiring her.

It really doesn't matter what YOUR understanding or MS LAGAN's is.

Your "understanding" or Ms Lagan's "understanding" are irrelevant. What is relevant is that Ms Lagan was fired...again.

[pillow]

MightyMouse,

Here you come to save the day! But, there's nothing you can say or do which will save the day for Andrea (who was fired...again) or Dilworth, who took responsibility for hiring her.

It really doesn't matter what YOUR understanding or MS LAGAN's is.

Your "understanding" or Ms Lagan's "understanding" are irrelevant. What is relevant is that Ms Lagan was fired...again.

So are you suggesting that Greg follow Andrea out the door as a way to take responsibility for his poor decision-making skills?

[eliotness]

So are you suggesting that Greg follow Andrea out the door as a way to take responsibility for his poor decision-making skills?

Well, this decision, in a vacuum, is penny ante. It is just an example of Dilworth's decision making ability, or lack thereof.

Of course, no reasonable person would suggest that Dilworth's inevitable exit should be caused by his decision to back Lagan.

It would be low on the sizable totem pole of reasons.

[Mr.MightyMouse]

MightyMouse,

Here you come to save the day! But, there's nothing you can say or do which will save the day for Andrea (who was fired...again) or Dilworth, who took responsibility for hiring her.

It really doesn't matter what YOUR understanding or MS LAGAN's is.

Your "understanding" or Ms Lagan's "understanding" are irrelevant. What is relevant is that Ms Lagan was fired...again.

Dear Nessie.

Firstly - it's Mr.Mightymouse - or MMM if you're "cut and paste challenged".

Secondly - relevance is the eye of the reader, in this case. Kind of like a book - once it's written - it's out of the Author's hands , and up to the reader to make what he wants out of it. "Just because I said so" is JJ's domain, and one of the lamest I.net arguments.

Thirdly - thanks for the "here I come" side-note - one my favourite cartoons' recurring themes.

Lastly - do not get me wrong, I am not defending nor condoning anyone's actions - but please recall that Andrea was asked, repeatedly to come back in the wake of the JM disaster, before Karen proved that she could do the job. If she would not do so - the International Dept would really be without a paddle, as the season started to unfold; and she did a lot last winter to correct a lot of wrongs.
"Fired, left, quit, slipped and fell" that is really the expertise of NYLD "the New York Laundry Department" which can be left to Herretic to handle admirably.

[prototoast]

Did heretic start this thread so that he could respond to himself under a different name?

[BrodeurNJD30]

Eliot Ness?

Are you saying that Dilworth= Capone?

Most if not all your posts are Anti-Dilworth.

When we had an ED who didn't do anything people complained. Now that we have an ED making executive decisions people are mad he is making them.

Reffs are now getting paid and the Federation is coming out of debt. Just two small things that have happened cause of Greg.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hi!

Did heretic start this thread so that he could respond to himself under a different name?

That was my first hunch too.


Have a nice time!

Peter Gustafsson

[heretic]

I was informed of Andrea's departure, and made no value judgement. Did she quit? Was she fired? Dillworth hired her and was her boss. Was this his decision? Kalle? The BOD?

Shouldn't we try and find out what went on behind the closed doors in Reno? Aren't we entitled to a modicum of transparency?

Andrea certainly has her fans and detractors, and I am admittedly not a fan. I just want to know why this happened.

[eliotness]

I fully agree with Heretic (or maybe Heretic is just agreeing with himself, that sly dog!).

One has to wonder why Andrea was in half the pictures from the Reno Pan Am dinner, as posted on the US Fencing website, and banished to Bogeyland (again) immediately thereafter.

Her name was then removed from whatever USFA listings, her email no longer copied on emails sent out to athletes.

So, what happened? She certainly didn't leave her dream position on her own volition. That's the sole focus of this thread, and it is a valid question.

[KD5MDK]

Traditionally employers do not comment on employee departures. I don't see any reason to believe this would be different.

[heretic]

IMO, not for profit corporations must be held to a higher standard of accountability and transparency. Members of the USFA are in effect, stock holders. It is not unreasonable for us to expect the BOD or ED to offer some explanation.

[eliotness]

Yeah, that's the reality of this saga. However, inquiring minds want to find out what happened and eventually it will come out.

You see, this one is a little more complicated, as there were questions from board members about her re-hiring in the first place. When those questions about past behavior (which led to a previous departure from the USFA) arose, ED Dilworth responded by saying he would take full responsibility for the decision to bring her back.

It is not unreasonable to surmise that she was fired for similar reasons which led to her first dismissal.

If that was the case, Dilworth was certainly forewarned, and it calls into question his decision-making.

[Allen Evans]

Members of the USFA are in effect, stock holders.

Even if this was, in some stretch of the imagination, true, the "stockholders" probably wouldn't want to see US Fencing involved in litigation when -- in attempting to be "transparent" -- it simply engaged in gossip and became subject to legal action.

[Philistine]

IMO, not for profit corporations must be held to a higher standard of accountability and transparency. Members of the USFA are in effect, stock holders. It is not unreasonable for us to expect the BOD or ED to offer some explanation.

That's not really my understanding.

For almost all end of employment cases (regardless of whether at the instance of the employee or the employer), no reason is publically given--whether by a for-profit or non-profit. In certain cases, it would be illegal for the employer to give the reason (e.g. that someone resigned because of a medical condition), in other cases there could be potential liability (e.g. an employee disagrees with the basis, and contends it is defamatory). In a number of other cases, it can encompass private information (spouse is going back to school in another place or is pregnant, moving, etc.).

Given the pitfalls, pretty much all organizations decide to have a policy of not commenting on any cases when someone leaves or is fired--that way, times when they don't/can't comment don't become conspicuous by the failure to comment.

--Philistine

[jeremyb215]

Shouldn't we try and find out what went on behind the closed doors in Reno?

If you like. I'm not sure throwing around baseless accusations attributed to un-named sources is the way to go about it though.

FTR: I don't have a clue about the inner workings (political or otherwise) of USA Fencing. I've just, for the first time, paid my dues and become a "competitive member". So I have no dog in this "fight".
I'm not sure slinging mud is the best way to generate more transparency in any organization.
Just sayin'.