PLease be exact!

[pinkelephant]

... Jet setting over the Atlantic for a grand knee-jerk pity party in NYC tips his hand and points to a case where national level support wasn't exactly necessary...

...And for Willis' part, he would do well to remember that state funded support of athletes is dependent, at least in part, on public perception that the support is necessary - especially when austerity measures are being called for in govt...

Where on earth did you get this idea from? Jonny spent the weekend in YORK, ENGLAND, where his girlfriend lives - not NEW York. Please don't do him any more harm by attributing behaviour to him that he would never indulge in.

[Mr Epee]

Where on earth did you get this idea from? Jonny spent the weekend in YORK, ENGLAND, where his girlfriend lives - not NEW York. Please don't do him any more harm by attributing behaviour to him that he would never indulge in.

My fault. I misread. Although, I'm going to to shovel a tiny bit of the blame onto the journalist who wrote the article. The intended audience could not possibly have known that the fencer has a personal connection to York (England), so some clarification would expectedly be in order. Although, I guess English news standards aren't what they used to be. After all, his 'source' is a twitter feed. Also, the phenomenon of adding words to a text that were expected, but not present is well documented. That said, again, I misread.

tipping your hand indeed... not exactly fond of Mr Willis are we... Mr Epee?

See above. In fact, I am entirely indifferent to Mr Willis. I simply misunderstood the situation. That's all. ;-)

[pinkelephant]

My fault. I misread. Although, I'm going to to shovel a tiny bit of the blame onto the journalist who wrote the article. The intended audience could not possibly have known that the fencer has a personal connection to York (England), so some clarification would expectedly be in order. Although, I guess English news standards aren't what they used to be. After all, his 'source' is a twitter feed. Also, the phenomenon of adding words to a text that were expected, but not present is well documented. That said, again, I misread.


See above. In fact, I am entirely indifferent to Mr Willis. I simply misunderstood the situation. That's all. ;-)

Why would an English journalist have to specify that York is in England? We are perfectly well aware where it is. Why would any English reader assume that "York" means "New York"?

[Mr Epee]

Why would an English journalist have to specify that York is in England?

There are any number of reasons, e.g. the English writer is working for a newspaper in Central PA. The assumption that an English journalist would never need to explain that "York" indicates York, England is just as preposterous as the opposite. These things are frequently worked out contextually.

We are perfectly well aware where it is.

Congrats? Not certain what your knowledge of local geography has to do with anything, though.

Why would any English reader assume that "York" means "New York"?

There's your confusion. My mistake wasn't assuming that "York" meant "New York" (a conscious swap), but rather not seeing "York" as "York" in the first place (a reflexive swap). Had the article mentioned that the subject has a personal connection to York, England (as you supplied, "his girlfriend lives there"), or if York, England had a commonly known history of being a good place to go and mull over one's future when at impasse, then the reflexive repair* would have been been less likely. When people say, "I'm going to Disneyland," it would be odd to ask for clarification.

* I know that repair is not the technical word for this, but I can't think of the correct word at the moment, and don't have time to look it up. Sorry.

Ok, all that aside, it really couldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that funding earmarked to specifically to support Olympic medal hopefuls would be pulled from an older athlete who, currently, does not appear to have a realistic shot at even qualifying for the games - let alone reaching the podium once he got there.

When examining the entire portfolio of nationally supported athletes, the "medal hopefuls" are realistically those athletes who are ranked in the top-4 in the world. Occasionally, this can be extended to top-8 depending on various situational factors.

As a rule, when in doubt, support youth over older athletes (who appear to be on the decline). Funding decisions can look ugly.

Without much research into the situation on the ground, I suspect that British Fencing managed to oversell their hand, and were possibly encouraged by Sport UK, or the BOA to do so; thereby lending greater credibility and support to the hosting bid. The last few years have been a heady and ambitious era for Sport UK, and it'll be interesting to see how things shake out as we near the point where the rubber meets the road.

[pinkelephant]

There are any number of reasons, e.g. the English writer is working for a newspaper in Central PA. The assumption that an English journalist would never need to explain that "York" indicates York, England is just as preposterous as the opposite. These things are frequently worked out contextually.


Congrats? Not certain what your knowledge of local geography has to do with anything, though.

There's your confusion. My mistake wasn't assuming that "York" meant "New York" (a conscious swap), but rather not seeing "York" as "York" in the first place (a reflexive swap). Had the article mentioned that the subject has a personal connection to York, England (as you supplied, "his girlfriend lives there"), or if York, England had a commonly known history of being a good place to go and mull over one's future when at impasse, then the reflexive repair* would have been been less likely. When people say, "I'm going to Disneyland," it would be odd to ask for clarification.

* I know that repair is not the technical word for this, but I can't think of the correct word at the moment, and don't have time to look it up. Sorry.

Ok, all that aside, it really couldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that funding earmarked to specifically to support Olympic medal hopefuls would be pulled from an older athlete who, currently, does not appear to have a realistic shot at even qualifying for the games - let alone reaching the podium once he got there.

When examining the entire portfolio of nationally supported athletes, the "medal hopefuls" are realistically those athletes who are ranked in the top-4 in the world. Occasionally, this can be extended to top-8 depending on various situational factors.

As a rule, when in doubt, support youth over older athletes (who appear to be on the decline). Funding decisions can look ugly.

Without much research into the situation on the ground, I suspect that British Fencing managed to oversell their hand, and were possibly encouraged by Sport UK, or the BOA to do so; thereby lending greater credibility and support to the hosting bid. The last few years have been a heady and ambitious era for Sport UK, and it'll be interesting to see how things shake out as we near the point where the rubber meets the road.

So all French journalists, writing for a French readership, should refer to "Orleans, France" in case anybody from the other side of the Atlantic reads it by accident and thinks they mean "New Orleans"?

[Bonehead]

So all French journalists, writing for a French readership, should refer to "Orleans, France" in case anybody from the other side of the Atlantic reads it by accident and thinks they mean "New Orleans"?

Yeah, I'm with you here. Talking about a British person going to York shouldn't need clarification. I think that Mr. Epee is betraying a little bit of US-Centrism.

[hello?]

My fault. I misread. Although, I'm going to to shovel a tiny bit of the blame onto the journalist who wrote the article. The intended audience could not possibly have known that the fencer has a personal connection to York (England), so some clarification would expectedly be in order.

Even if the article was only running in a newspaper in Omaha, I have never heard "New York" referred to as "York." I would assume it meant York, England (since the athlete in question lives in that country) and would only expect clarification if the writer meant that he had gone to York, Pennsylvania.

[Purple Fencer]

Why would an English journalist have to specify that York is in England? We are perfectly well aware where it is. Why would any English reader assume that "York" means "New York"?

Perhaps given the international nature of news it might be prudent to do so? After all, there ARE cities in the US named Moscow (Idaho), Paris (California), Athens (Georgia)...and US papers have to point out if the US Rome is the one in New York or Georgia, same for Concord (California) and Concord, New Hampshire)....or do we in the US know which one they're talking about automatically?

And aren't there 2 places named York in England??

[Gav]

Perhaps given the international nature of news it might be prudent to do so? After all, there ARE cities in the US named Moscow (Idaho), Paris (California), Athens (Georgia)...and US papers have to point out if the US Rome is the one in New York or Georgia, same for Concord (California) and Concord, New Hampshire)....or do we in the US know which one they're talking about automatically?

And aren't there 2 places named York in England??

Sam.

Tell me you're not as ignorant as you've just made yourself sound.

Just tell me you're not and we'll leave it at that.

[clagen]

Whether it's revealing a lack of reading comprehension, and then having the temerity to blame the original author, or confirming every negative stereotype of American geography education, this thread is . . . just . . . amazing.
Sam, we'll just pretend you didn't say what you said.
For the record, NO UK paper would ever have to clarify that York is in England, just as they would never have to clarify 'Jersey', either. You know, that weird semi-French island in the Channel?

[piste off]

Anyone who has visited Jon's website knows that he credits strengh and conditioning as a big part of his success. If you go there, you can see he uses YORK barbells. One might assume he is going to York, PA (the home of the company) to pick up some more equipment to train.

[Purple Fencer]

Sam.

Tell me you're not as ignorant as you've just made yourself sound.

Just tell me you're not and we'll leave it at that.

So you're saying that a US paper shouldn't specify they might be talking about something in Rome, Georgia with a reader in the New England area might think Rome, NY??

Given how many news outlets can be read or otherwise viewed outside their home countries (BBC America, anyone?), it only take another second to define what state, county, province, etc a references city's located in....unless you're really lazy.

[Gav]

So you're saying that a US paper shouldn't specify they might be talking about something in Rome, Georgia with a reader in the New England area might think Rome, NY??

Given how many news outlets can be read or otherwise viewed outside their home countries (BBC America, anyone?), it only take another second to define what state, county, province, etc a references city's located in....unless you're really lazy.

Sam. Keep digging.

I am tempted to remove these posts to another section of the forum so we can have a thread where we all call each other names.

Anyone got a complaint about that?

I'd rather return this thread to its proper topic.

[Mr Epee]

I am tempted to remove these posts to another section of the forum so we can have a thread where we all call each other names.

Anyone got a complaint about that?

Feel free to trim anything I've contributed. Literally anything.

Including this post.

[TooLoftheDeviL]

I'll just leave this here

http://laughingsquid.com/comic-flowc...net-arguments/

[IanSerotkin]

How could he go visit Michael York? This is an outrage.

[fdad]

There are any number of reasons, e.g. the English writer is working for a newspaper in Central PA. The assumption that an English journalist would never need to explain that "York" indicates York, England is just as preposterous as the opposite. These things are frequently worked out contextually.


Congrats? Not certain what your knowledge of local geography has to do with anything, though.

There's your confusion. My mistake wasn't assuming that "York" meant "New York" (a conscious swap), but rather not seeing "York" as "York" in the first place (a reflexive swap). Had the article mentioned that the subject has a personal connection to York, England (as you supplied, "his girlfriend lives there"), or if York, England had a commonly known history of being a good place to go and mull over one's future when at impasse, then the reflexive repair* would have been been less likely. When people say, "I'm going to Disneyland," it would be odd to ask for clarification.

* I know that repair is not the technical word for this, but I can't think of the correct word at the moment, and don't have time to look it up. Sorry.

Ok, all that aside, it really couldn't have come as a surprise to anyone that funding earmarked to specifically to support Olympic medal hopefuls would be pulled from an older athlete who, currently, does not appear to have a realistic shot at even qualifying for the games - let alone reaching the podium once he got there.

When examining the entire portfolio of nationally supported athletes, the "medal hopefuls" are realistically those athletes who are ranked in the top-4 in the world. Occasionally, this can be extended to top-8 depending on various situational factors.

As a rule, when in doubt, support youth over older athletes (who appear to be on the decline). Funding decisions can look ugly.

Without much research into the situation on the ground, I suspect that British Fencing managed to oversell their hand, and were possibly encouraged by Sport UK, or the BOA to do so; thereby lending greater credibility and support to the hosting bid. The last few years have been a heady and ambitious era for Sport UK, and it'll be interesting to see how things shake out as we near the point where the rubber meets the road.

There is a York in New England?

[wakeup]

Yes, in Maine. Was just there (playing skeeball, eating salt water taffy, and thinking over my future). Didn't see Willis though.

[Gav]

I created this thread to clean up the UK funding thread. If you want to talk about communication standards (whether you should say York, England or New York US) then this is the place to do it.

[Inquartata]

How could he go visit Michael York? This is an outrage.

Have a York peppermint patty and relax.