USFA Head Tax on ROC/SYC/RYC

[jjefferies]

Ok, I'm pulling my post until I can confirm for a second time the impact the USFA's policy on the Head Tax on ROC/SYC/RYC's is absolute. But others might be interested in the policy, i.e.
"Classification changes, qualification and/or points (if applicable) from an RYC/SYC/ROC are not recognized until the program service fee is paid and results are received.

See http://usfencing.org/events/4680/page/9933 and look at "Received Qualifying Reports"

[dsapery]

Ok, I'm pulling this until I can confirm for a second time the impact the USFA's policy on the Head Tax on ROC/SYC/RYC's is absolute. But others might be interested in the policy, i.e.
"Classification changes, qualification and/or points (if applicable) from an RYC/SYC/ROC are not recognized until the program service fee is paid and results are received.

See http://usfencing.org/events/4680/page/9933 and look at "Received Qualifying Reports"

Unfortunately, that is the USFA policy. It has further problems in that this season the USFA awarded two SYCs on consecutive weekends. It took a huge effort to get the point standings updated in adequate time that the results from the first event would be counted towards the second event's seeding. And by policy, the National Office wouldn't get started on the points unless the head tax was paid.

I wouldn't be surprised if the NO punts the responsiblity for this to the host of the event. On the other hand, they were the ones who awarded the event to that particular host.

[fencerX]

Yes, several RYCs, SYCs and ROCs haven't paid their head taxes to the USFA. As a consequence the USFA hasn't added those who supposedly qualified at those events to the list of qualifiers posted on usfencing.org

So when subsequent qualifier events (divisionals, sectionals, ROCs) are run they might be missing out on some auto qualifiers they'd have if the earlier event paid their fees in a timely manner.

[KidLazy]

Yes, several RYCs, SYCs and ROCs haven't paid their head taxes to the USFA. As a consequence the USFA hasn't added those who supposedly qualified at those events to the list of qualifiers posted on usfencing.org

So when subsequent qualifier events (divisionals, sectionals, ROCs) are run they might be missing out on some auto qualifiers they'd have if the earlier event paid their fees in a timely manner.

Do they update the list after payment is received, so auto qualifiers won't take up the qualifying spots for the subsequent qualifier events? On a rough glance, I notice two names are missing. Who should they contact and get it corrected, in time, before SN registration close?

[jjefferies]

Do they update the list after payment is received, so auto qualifiers won't take up the qualifying spots for the subsequent qualifier events? On a rough glance, I notice two names are missing. Who should they contact and get it corrected, in time, before SN registration close?

One would assume that the list would be updated as soon as the organizers have paid the head tax and submitted the results. But as I noted earlier the list of SYC/RYC/ROC who've paid and submitted their results hasn't be updated since Apr 24. Until that list changes it appears that the persons who qualified through that path won't be updated and where they compete in other tournaments their status as auto-qualifiers won't be noted. Sort of a snow ball effect.
You don't indicate how your names were to have qualified. I would suggest working through your Division. But Tanya Brown and Amanda Ward I believe are the two staffers having to deal with this.

[BrodeurNJD30]

I agree with Mr. Sapery, this has caused issues when the results are not updated. When hosting an event where the auto-qualifier list or youth points updated in an effort to have an accurate event and not punish the athletes we have made our own auto-qualifier lists and updated the points lists ourselves ahead of the USFAs. Perhaps the Usfa should just update the list as soon as the reports are filed and if an organizer fails to pay them, not be allowed to run an event the following year or two.

[Inquartata]

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[TooLoftheDeviL]

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[jjefferies]

For anyone interested or affected the policy as reported by Tanya Bown is:
In September of 2008, the Board of Directors passed the program service fee
for all RYC/SYC/ROC. It is the policy of the USFA to not recognize results
from RYC/SYC/ROC, for their various purposes, until the fee is paid and the
results received. A similar situation arose a few weeks ago, in another
division, where the division and the concerned parent worked together to get
the fee paid.
It appears the fee, which is the total of all fencers at the relevant ROC/RYC/SYC can be paid by anyone and one assumes the results reported. In the example Tanya relates a Division which has no responsibility or authority over the event got to pay the USFA fees so their fencers would be qualified.