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MSUFENCER · 02-04-2003, 08:24 PM

I have a fencer who got an epee as a gift I can not figure out who made it or where it came from, it has a scorpion on the bell pad other then that no marking that I an see, any one know who makes this blade?

Thanks

Charlie

edew · 02-04-2003, 10:34 PM

Since parts are so interchangeable, the scorpion on the bell pad gives zero information on where the blade come from. Perhaps you can tell us something about the blade itself.

Is it silvery in color (plain steel color, and not blue, or gold, or multi-colored)?

Is it even an electric epee blade?

Is there a stamp on the base of the blade?

Is the groove on the blade forged or stamped into a V-shape?

Is it very flexible or not very flexible? (Not a good question to ask a person who might not have felt hundreds of epee and other blades.)

Gav · 02-04-2003, 11:18 PM

Is it important to know where it came from?

MSUFENCER · 02-05-2003, 01:08 AM

There is no stamp on the blade itself that is were i looked first, as the grove and v of the blade I will have to look next time she is there. It is a metalic blade with no coloring

MikeHarm · 02-05-2003, 12:46 PM

Sounds like a Santelli blade to me. Check the Vendor who comes in from Ohio at the Duelist open or our Michigan Championship and I bet you'll find it matches, he stocks a lot of that sort.

epeemike81 · 02-06-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by MikeHarm
Sounds like a Santelli blade to me. Check the Vendor who comes in from Ohio at the Duelist open or our Michigan Championship and I bet you'll find it matches, he stocks a lot of that sort.

you got Santelli from the fact that it was not blued and was unmarked???

um, yeah, I don't think so.

-m

MikeHarm · 02-06-2003, 10:34 AM

We'll see what happens when he checks out the Santelli angle.

epeemike81 · 02-06-2003, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by MikeHarm
We'll see what happens when he checks out the Santelli angle.

that will still not justify the means.

-m

MikeHarm · 02-06-2003, 02:42 PM

We did have that it was not blued and unmarked, but we also have that he's in Michigan, so if it was bought locally it might of come from the same source as I've gone to. Also I've bought a wide variety of different blades, Santelli is one that is like that described and that would be bought at the vendor.

I've been in the situation before where I was assembling a weapon, cursing about the pommel not threading on properly then took a look at it to find out what blade it was so I'd remember not to buy it again only to see it was unmarked and sheepishly remember that that means it was a Santelli and the reason it didn't fit was it was threaded American 12X24 unlike my other weapons.

edew · 02-06-2003, 04:36 PM

What exactly is a Santelli blade? I am not aware of Santelli having a forge to make its own blades. The only blade company in the US, that I'm aware of, was that one that made the really bendable, whippy one. Forgot the name, and I'm not sure they're still around.

Almost all blades today are made in three main areas: France (Blaise Freres and Hostin -- if they're still doing it), Russia/Ukraine (Vniti, STM, etc), and China.

Are there other forges out there?

MikeHarm · 02-06-2003, 05:46 PM

I'm not sure where they get them from but they're noticeably different than my other blades I've bought. The ones that I've seen the metal is a little brighter shade and they look like they might of been manufactured differently than the Russian/Chinese/BF ones I've gotten.

JEC · 02-06-2003, 06:41 PM

Where the BG's SG blades are made?

epeemike81 · 02-07-2003, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by MikeHarm
We did have that it was not blued and unmarked, but we also have that he's in Michigan, so if it was bought locally it might of come from the same source as I've gone to. Also I've bought a wide variety of different blades, Santelli is one that is like that described and that would be bought at the vendor.

I've been in the situation before where I was assembling a weapon, cursing about the pommel not threading on properly then took a look at it to find out what blade it was so I'd remember not to buy it again only to see it was unmarked and sheepishly remember that that means it was a Santelli and the reason it didn't fit was it was threaded American 12X24 unlike my other weapons.

But, since, as edew points out, Santelli doesn't make their own blades, the generic blade you describe (non-blued, and unmarked) could have come from any other number of vendors.

-m

mfp · 02-07-2003, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by edew

Are there other forges out there?

WKC in Germany:

http://www.saebel.de/eng/produkte/fe...artikel_04.jpg

Dynamo/Dinamo in Ukraine:

http://www.dinamo-blade.lg.ua/swordw.html

MSUFENCER · 02-07-2003, 11:19 AM

Ok after looking at the blade carefully It still has no markings, it is a medium flex, and the grove starts out deep at the tip and gets shallower towards the bell, next there are a lot of flaws in the blade as in the tip is off center from the blade and the sides of the V vary in size as it moves towards the tip. it has a german tip. The only thing that does have a marking is the bell pad it is a red scorpian with 3 blue lines under it. I would say it is the worst epee i have ever seen, other then that I cant tell you much more about it.

thanks
Charlie

sallearmourer · 02-07-2003, 12:48 PM

Santelli used to mark their blades they sell with the letter S, And there is no American forge because of the start up cost.

Tim