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epeemike81 · 02-04-2003, 05:29 PM

Just what the subject says. I have for sale size 9.5 Brand New, never worn, Asymetrics.

Asking price is 130.

-m

Inquartata · 02-04-2003, 10:55 PM

Going Al Bundy on us, Mike?

epeemike81 · 02-04-2003, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by Inquartata
Going Al Bundy on us, Mike?

Nope. these are MENS' shoes.

-m

a517dogg · 03-04-2003, 08:50 PM

why are you selling them?

epeemike81 · 03-05-2003, 12:30 AM

the UMass Team ordered equipment, and the person who ordered the shoes didn't pay for them and is no longer with our team. thus, we have a pair of Asymetrics to rid ourselves of.

-m

shamshir · 03-14-2003, 07:33 AM

Hmm... 9.5 happens to be my size... I think. Although all my fencing shoes have been in Euro sizes so I'm not sure exactly. 43 1/3 is my Euro size I believe.

Anyway, you didn't state one obviously required detail: are they right or left handed (footed)? And these are the low-cut ones, right (I don't think the high-tops are out in North America yet).

epeemike81 · 03-14-2003, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by shamshir
Hmm... 9.5 happens to be my size... I think. Although all my fencing shoes have been in Euro sizes so I'm not sure exactly. 43 1/3 is my Euro size I believe.

Anyway, you didn't state one obviously required detail: are they right or left handed (footed)? And these are the low-cut ones, right (I don't think the high-tops are out in North America yet).

right handed, low cut.

-m

shamshir · 03-18-2003, 08:45 PM

sorry to trouble you like this, but if you haven't sold these yet, would you possibly be able to look inside them and read off the Euro size? That's because if they're 43 1/3, I'll know they're the right size, my current Adidas adistars (high-top) are 43 1/3.

I'm still looking into the high top ones, but if they're not available yet or are simply too expensive, I'll go low-top, and naturally I'd prefer to save money by buying from you...

DJ Apostrophe · 03-19-2003, 09:28 AM

Mike is on vacation this week. I'll be sure to get in touch with him and let you know when he returns.
-w

epeemike81 · 03-19-2003, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by DJ Apostrophe
Mike is on vacation this week. I'll be sure to get in touch with him and let you know when he returns.
-w

um.....

Wayne, hate to trouble you, but they're being stored in YOUR house!

talk to Brad, and have him post.

thanks.

-m

ccm · 03-20-2003, 10:16 AM

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Originally posted by shamshir

I'm still looking into the high top ones, but if they're not available yet or are simply too expensive, I'll go low-top, and naturally I'd prefer to save money by buying from you...

Please excuse me dropping into your conversation, but FYI the current high-top adidas shoes are symmetric. They both use the sole from the 'forward' shoe of the asymmetrics.

When I tried both variants on I also found the high-tops somewhat uncomfortable because they are designed for standing in a fencing stance. When standing upright the back of the shoe presses into the lower leg, at least in my case.

- Chris

shamshir · 03-20-2003, 11:09 AM

Really? I have seen pictures and the high-top ones looked like they were of the same "breed" as the asymmetrics. You're saying they are basically two copies of the forward foot? I'll have to check into that.

As far as I know the high tops are very new... not yet available in the US, and probably just came out in Europe...

oiuyt · 03-20-2003, 11:45 AM

Sizing information:

D: 9
UK: 9
F: 43 1/3
US: 9 1/2
J: 275

I assume that the D is Deutsch, that F is France and therefore European, and that J is Japan.

So yes, they are the correct size for you. Let me know if you want them.

-B :)

ccm · 03-20-2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by shamshir
Really? I have seen pictures and the high-top ones looked like they were of the same "breed" as the asymmetrics. You're saying they are basically two copies of the forward foot? I'll have to check into that.

As far as I know the high tops are very new... not yet available in the US, and probably just came out in Europe...

Well, they are of the same "breed", but as I said, left and right boot are symmetrical. I was surprised myself when I checked them out.

It was a few weeks ago, at a tournament in Ingolstadt, Germany. Uhlmann had a booth there and I decided to use the opportunity to try on some stuff.

For myself I plan to get the asymmetric low-tops, they seem the most comfortable to me. And they have the best grip due to the different build.

- Chris

shamshir · 03-20-2003, 03:41 PM

Ok, so here's a question. In the pictures I've seen of the low-top asymmetrics, it appears as though the inside of each shoe is pseudo-high-top. Is that correct? That is, if you're right-handed, the trailing (left) shoe has a higher "cuff" (can't figure out what to call it) on the inside, and the right shoe... well, I'm not sure about the right shoe, I think it's low cut all around....

It just seemed that way to me, and it would actually be good because that's really the only side you'd need support to prevent going over on your trailing ankle.

I'm all for the asymmetric soles, reinforcement where needed on the trailing foot, extra cushion on the lead heel, and so forth... but ankle support means a lot to me. I used to mess up my ankles quite often until I got my high-top adistars. I'm looking to buy a pair of shoes to use after my current ones wear out, and if these rumours are true, looks like the low tops are my only option. The old adistars actually wear out on the trailing foot quite easily... the leather reinforcement is nice but it doesn't go high up enough and I tend to chew through the fabric portion if I fence on enough pistes.

ccm · 03-20-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by shamshir
Ok, so here's a question. In the pictures I've seen of the low-top asymmetrics, it appears as though the inside of each shoe is pseudo-high-top. Is that correct? That is, if you're right-handed, the trailing (left) shoe has a higher "cuff" (can't figure out what to call it) on the inside, and the right shoe... well, I'm not sure about the right shoe, I think it's low cut all around....

Yes, exactly. The trailing shoe has some kind of ankle protection on the inside, while the other is low cut all around.

- Chris

shamshir · 03-21-2003, 12:14 AM

ok this is for ccm:

it just occurred to me during dinner today, that perhaps the new adidas equipment hi-tops you tried out were put together incorrectly by the vendor? Isn't it possible that the seller thought they were supposed to be symmetric, or one right shoe from one set got mixed up with a left shoe from another (reversed) set?

I just can't understand how they could have mixed them up. If you look here, it seems that the high-tops are also asymmetric. No wait, it looks like you're right:

http://212.86.185.32/modules.php?op=...ducts_id=36289

Both Uhlmann and Allstar's site specify that the lo-tops are asymmetric, but say no such thing about the hi-tops.

That's just so... weird. Why would they R&D an awesome new shoe, and then get rid of the main benefit in the higher cut version?

ccm · 03-21-2003, 02:32 AM

Shamshir, I suspect the demand for hi-tops is not so great, so Adidas probably decided to save some money by building only one set of boots. On the other hand this will lead to even less demand I would guess.

Regarding demand, while Uhlmann had the low-cut version in ready supply at their booth they had to fetch the box of hi-tops from their truck when I asked for them...

shamshir · 03-21-2003, 03:30 AM

I've always found that weird. I mean don't boxers wear high-top shoes? And basketball players? Fencing is a sport that could use a little ankle support --- I wonder why they've been so uncommon. Maybe it's just the price gouging by the manufacturers.

ccm · 03-23-2003, 04:39 PM

To shamshir:

Today I met another fencer who wore the hi-top Adidas. He used to have the low-cut version, but had to switch because he needed the ankle support.

I asked him about his views of both shoes and he told me he was not happy that the hi-tops are symmetrical. He even considers using the sole of his left low-top shoe to reconfigure his new left boot. I do not know if such a modification will work, though.