New Rules Quiz! Foil this time.

[Craig]

Before you complain about the referee from that last bout, take the quiz to see if you would do any better.

http://www.fencing101.com/vb/quiz.php?quizid=4

Taking a break from the general rules to see how you people score on a foil-centric quiz.


Cheers,
Craig

[BugabooX]

Only 24 of 35. (But I never claimed to be a foilist anyway, so I can live with that. I'll study next time.)
Only one problem with the page: At the top, it gives me a 72 percent grade, while at the bottom the program tells me I failed with 69 percent. Whassup?

[Zelda]

22 - considering I am a foilist that is quite sad. But then again I am not a very good ref

[veeco]

30, considering I am not a foilist, that would be enough ;-).

When's the epee questionaire Craig? ;-)

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by veeco
30, considering I am not a foilist, that would be enough ;-).

When's the epee questionaire Craig? ;-)

Just for anybody who didn't know, I'm not a foilist either.

32, btw.

-m

[Kodiak Kid]

25 out of 35. Hmmm..... Sure hope they change that reversed shoulder rule sometime soon.
I think with a little study I could've been in the 90% bracket...

[veeco]

Originally posted by epeemike81
Just for anybody who didn't know, I'm not a foilist either.

32, btw.

-m

Nice! The questions that nailed me where the broken blade ones. I think it's kinda hard to understand the timing of these, and maybe they could have been worded differently. Of course, it's probably just me who did not understand the meaning of the sentences...

[edew]

And the amazing thing is, if I'm refereeing and a blade breaks, I could call it almost either way and neither fencer would argue. One can always say, "I called halt immediately at the break for safety reasons" and the attacker would say, "Gee, yeah, that makes sense. (I won't dispute not receiving a touch.)"

And frankly, the blade rarely breaks as suggested in those hypothetical questions. Usually, it breaks on a hard attack. Or it breaks on a hard parry. Seldom is the blade going to fall apart while the opponent is making a simple direct attack.

I got 29, I think (it was a while ago). I think I also misread one or two of the questions, because when I went over the answers and whether I got them correct or not, I read the question and looked at my answer and realized that I misread the question.

I did get the "May be cut at the waist, but must overlap the breeches by 10cm" for the foil jacket question right.

[Peach]

I do not referee foil because I am hopeless at deciphering the differences in ROW between foil and sabre, so doing moderately well on the foil questions doesn't mean a dern thing as far as I can see. Frankly, I would award all kinds of attacks in preparation and would be mugged by foilists after every bout, not to mention that every time someone fleches I start giggling nervously (I started sabre after they eliminated the fleche).

I also had problems with the broken blade questions--we break 'em all the time in sabre, but I don't see it happen too often in foil. The bend direction question and the jacket cut question surprised me too. Huh.

This is useful because I am seeing what I consistently get wrong. Not that I really want to pass the foil test, mind you .

[edew]

Oh, I did get the question on the immediate remise into a compound riposte wrong. Craig, you might want to check with Bill Oliver on that one. (Can't recall the question number, but it's in the high 20s.)

The question was: suppose Fencer Y attacks and makes an immediate remise after Fencer X successfully parries Y's attack, and X makes a compound riposte. The word "immediate" was not present, so that could be the problem. But there is a difference: an immediate remise into a compound riposte has right of way, while a late remise into a compound riposte does not take over the right of way of the riposte.

I think the question specifically want to deal with the very real and frequent possibility of multi-feint ripostes versus immediate remises. The answer is that Fencer Y should score. Maybe I clicked on the wrong one (or transposed Y for X in the answer). In any case, if the correct answer as claimed in the quiz does not jibe with my understanding as suggested here, perhaps someone should look into the question and answer again.

[sallearmourer]

Consider the fact that the last time I look at the rules for foil
was 2 years ago 29 out of 35 was not bad for a armouer type

The bend question I just miss marked.
Tim

[Craig]

Originally posted by edew
Oh, I did get the question on the immediate remise into a compound riposte wrong. Craig, you might want to check with Bill Oliver on that one. (Can't recall the question number, but it's in the high 20s.)

The question was: suppose Fencer Y attacks and makes an immediate remise after Fencer X successfully parries Y's attack, and X makes a compound riposte. The word "immediate" was not present, so that could be the problem. But there is a difference: an immediate remise into a compound riposte has right of way, while a late remise into a compound riposte does not take over the right of way of the riposte.

I think the question specifically want to deal with the very real and frequent possibility of multi-feint ripostes versus immediate remises. The answer is that Fencer Y should score. Maybe I clicked on the wrong one (or transposed Y for X in the answer). In any case, if the correct answer as claimed in the quiz does not jibe with my understanding as suggested here, perhaps someone should look into the question and answer again.

Here's the question as asked in the quiz:
Fencer X parries Y’s attack and makes an immediate compound riposte (with the arm extending during the feint), while Y makes a simple, direct remise. Both touches arrive on the valid surface within the same tempo.

For this question, since the arm is extending during the feint of the compound riposte, and that it is immediate, it has right of way. If the riposte had started late, or there was no extension on the feint (which is usually what happens), then I would also give it to Y. We've got Jeff Bukantz coming to do a referee seminar in February. I'll make sure to ask about these different situations and get his answers.



I need to do some work on finding where this calculates percentages. It uses 2 methods and one is obviously correct and the other incorrect. I also need to reset passing to be at 90% or higher to coincide with the referee testing.

One other thing I may want to figure out is some way of limiting discussion of the questions to those who have taken the quiz...

Cheers,
Craig

[edew]

Arm continuously extending is not sufficient. If X did a double disengage (one-two disengage) while Y did a simple direct, immediate remise, Y still gets the touch. Indeed, that was one of my signature touches in the mid-80s.

Of course, I can tell you that many a referee will miss the fact that the disengage is compound (not a simple disengage from one line to another), and award the riposte.

Please ask Mr. Bukantz when he comes by for a refereeing seminar.

A compound action does not require (or infer) any pulling back of the arm. A compound action would entail the point traversing from one line to another and then to yet another (which could be the original line).

[Repechage]

Originally posted by webmaster
One other thing I may want to figure out is some way of limiting discussion of the questions to those who have taken the quiz...

Cheers,
Craig

I don't see any reason why. After all, the study guide and the rules book are already available to all, and the on-line "quiz" is only another tool for helping people learn the material (like a referee seminar). It would be different if you were in the official business of giving the real test to people. Then there would be a valid purpose in not discussing the questions. As it is, the only consequence of knowing what kinds of questions are on it is likely to be more studying of the rules book, which is not a bad thing.

[JEC]

I agree with the idea of using the web quizzes as another tool to study, but answers should not be available unless one performs better than a certain level that deserves the specific discussion of specific questions. This is as compared to being told if you have less than x (~70% correct): Sorry, dude! Hit the book again.

[Aoife]

Well dear oh dear. I managed very very measly 18/35.

Nevertheless I am proud.... well, consdiering I've never been taught any of the rules mentioned,a dn the few I did get right were from my independant learning not my coach

[Artisan]

I'm not sure what your intent is in providing the quiz, but since I can't take it over, or see the questions again after taking it, when you provide the results, I only learn that I had an answer wrong, and am left uncertain what the correct answer is. A learning opportunity lost. Sure..I could look up rules, or post queries as a quarrelous thread...but that probably exceeds my attention span.

Give us the correct answers with our results, and we'll all get better!..

[KShan5[PrFC]]

22- Sabre fencer, I dunno, lol although that is failing