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lochinvar · 01-21-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by Repechage
Didn't say it was first penalty. You folks seem to enjoy arguing, huh?

It's Mike's other sport, I think.

DHCJr · 01-21-2003, 01:55 PM

How this thread is going reminds me of an interesting bout at a World University Games. The French and the Cubans were fencing the finals of Team Foil. The Cuban fencer Foil failed the weight test. The Cuban did not seem upset; the referee took the weapon and gave a yellow card. The second weapon passed. The Cuban fencer came on guard and the French protested that the Cuban fencer no longer had two weapons on the strip. The referee gave a red card to the Cuban and a touch to the French fencer. The Cubans protested the call. This was another red card for the Cuban fencer and another touch for the French fencer.

epeemike81 · 01-21-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by lochinvar
It's Mike's other sport, I think.

No, fencing is my other sport. Arguing is my primary sport.

-m

oiuyt · 01-21-2003, 10:58 PM

As mentioned in my original post team events are slightly different. In team events appeals can be made by someone other than the fencer on strip (the captain of the team who may or may not be one of the fencers on the team but is a designated person). Under the new rules there is also (space permitting) a designated area for the team (while not on strip) to stand. If team members leave this area it results in a card for the fencer.

If fencer X is in an individual competition and fencer X's coach (or best friend/mother/random by-stander) protests a call the spectator may deserve a card for disturbing order (true whether or not s/he is correct IMO). S/he CANNOT be the source of an appeal. Complaining to the ref from a fencer MAY be construed as an attempt at appeal, from a spectator it's disturbing order.

-B :)

Inquartata · 01-21-2003, 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by epeemike81
No, fencing is my other sport. Arguing is my primary sport.

-m

And if there's ever an Olympic medal offered for it, you're a lock!

Iwant2bafencer · 01-22-2003, 08:55 AM

I don't know about an Olimpic medal persay, but they do have regionals, state, and nationals for arguing. Join a Debate Squad!

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counter riposte · 01-22-2003, 01:28 PM

Arguing fencers are smarter fencers. Arguing parents are another thing entirely.

When a fencer argues a call, inevitably the fencer will learn from the call, whether the attack was in time, remised, or what derobement is. Either way the call goes, the fencer will be educated as to the finer points of the game, which calls to argue over and how the referee sees things on the strip.

When a parent argues, chances are that the fencer will not learn much of anything. It's annoying and understandable. They want thier kid to win. They want to be supporting. And watching thier child get hit with weapons doesn't help either.

Bottom line is that you have to treat this as a game. A fun game. After all, if it wasn't fun, we wouldn't do it would we?

edew · 01-22-2003, 02:03 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Iwant2bafencer
[b]I don't know about an Olimpic medal persay, but they do have regionals, state, and nationals for arguing. Join a Debate Squad!

Please don't encourage the IOC to adopt debating as another "sport". I can just see the cacophony occurring as the Morroccans debate the East Timors on the merits of socialized medicine, if applied to 16th century central Europe.

Ugh. Let's just start WWIII, why don't we?

Iwant2bafencer · 01-22-2003, 05:54 PM

Debate? What's that? Who said anything about debate? *looks innocent*

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anca · 01-22-2003, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by DHCJr
The coach I worked with mostly encouraged fencers not to hook up themselves, but to let others do that. Their job is to study their opponent. Are they Right or Left Handed, what type of handle are they using, tall or short, size and anything else that will help.

I'd never thought of that; that's good advice. I'm slightly embarrassed to admit that there have been many times when I haven't noticed that my opponent is a lefty until I'm en guarde. But certainly everyone (except maybe children) ought to be able to themselves up.

sallearmourer · 01-23-2003, 12:41 AM

When I hooked up my daugther it's because I am giving her some last minute adviced to used. But not being the typical fencing parent it's different. But I do try to teach them to help the next fencer to hookup.

Tim

Chris · 01-23-2003, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by anca
I'd never thought of that; that's good advice. I'm slightly embarrassed to admit that there have been many times when I haven't noticed that my opponent is a lefty until I'm en guarde. But certainly everyone (except maybe children) ought to be able to themselves up.

Well certainly, smaller children (6-10; I certainly don't recommend anyone younger be fencing electric, and even some of the 6-10 year-olds are out there a little prematurely...) are going to need help with this, as their hands are kind of small for doing this, but a teenager and a grown-up should quickly learn A. How to hook themselves up; B. To identify and observe opponents as early, and as much as possible, and that C. taking a few seconds WHILE you are hooking up is also a good opportunity to observe, BUT certianly should not be the first time you do...