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BugabooX · 01-08-2003, 12:39 AM

Excellent. Edew comes to the rescue again. His greatness has no limit.

Capt. Slo-mo · 01-08-2003, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Inquartata
Well, the veterans events certainly carried no prize monies!

The women sabre fencers both had to decline the money for purposes of NCAA eligibility, correct?

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Actually, they could have kept the money if they had receipts totalling the amount of the prize money.... is it too late to get it?

Boo Boo · 01-08-2003, 08:06 AM

I remember having to wait AGES for my DE in the Open Foil last year (I had a bye into the L64). Still, to make up for it, I was running pretty late on the second day and didn't get time to get properly warmed up for my L32 :-( (not that I think it would have made much difference...).

DITD was great - I loved being able to do the Open Foil as well as the Women's Foil: not something we tend to get the opportunity to do here in the UK. It provided a good weekend's fencing.

Boo

BugabooX · 01-08-2003, 05:43 PM

Duel results are being posted even as I type this message. Finals are up first; I'm sure more will follow soon.

135711 · 01-08-2003, 06:01 PM

once again, I have trouble with the prize money thing, however, I understand there is a small but growing number of professional fencers. the controversy has always been, sports for money? is it a good thing? On the other hand: football, basketball, soccer makes lots of money. Fencing on the other hand has long been in the province of amature, and people fenced either in a university setting for the schools morale, or fenced in private clubs around town for personal glory. what do you all think about this concept?

edew · 01-08-2003, 06:15 PM

Open epee's up. Others are still 404'ed. Quicker than the USFA's updating of results. The Youth NAC in Saratoga Springs is still MIA.

Peach · 01-08-2003, 06:25 PM

Saratoga Springs results are up.

veeco · 01-08-2003, 07:27 PM

Another thing I love about DITD results is that they post the tableau and pools online.

It's great to be able to see who lost to whom and what the scores of the different bouts were...

edew · 01-08-2003, 10:06 PM

Where does one go to see the tableau and pools? I only see the final placement.

Inquartata · 01-08-2003, 11:20 PM

There should be three links on each results page: Results, Tableau, and Pools. Albeit only the Results one was working as yet when I checked---the rest are probably still being put up.

mfp · 01-09-2003, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Capt. Slo-mo
Actually, they could have kept the money if they had receipts totalling the amount of the prize money....

Oh no they couldn't. The NCAA rule change mentioned in the USFA Winter 2002 newsletter concerns the NCAA "Exception for Prize Money Prior to Full-Time Collegiate Enrollment"

Since the item in the USFA newsletter was from Sherry Posthumus, a Sports Director at Stanford, and one of the fencers was co-captain of the Stanford fencing team we can imagine the women saturday night sabre finalists were all too aware of the NCAA rules.

It looks like this was the third DitD in a row that Meghan Everett was in the Saturday Night finals. Will DitD 2004 finally be her year to decline the prize money?

Inquartata · 01-10-2003, 12:09 AM

OTOH, I think they said that Eileen Grench was still in high school, so...?

edew · 01-10-2003, 01:26 PM

Eileen is still in high school. If Meghan had won, she would not be able to accept the money. Sherry was not at the DITD to explain the intricacies of NCAA rules, which, from what I've read, is a recent change in the interpretations of prize money. Lisa Milgram, Stanford's head coach, and daughter of Sherry, was probably not exactly clear on the prize money thing, and probably did not know the intricacies.

I spoke to her at the gala and she said that Evan can donate the money to either fencer's (or anywhere else, for that matter) club or foundation, without any coercion by anyone, and that would be kosher with the NCAA. That is the stand that NCAA took in regards to prize money prior to this new announcement about pre-collegiate athletes receiving prize money for competition.

mfp · 01-11-2003, 04:46 AM

The pools and DE tableau "sheets" have been posted on the website for the women's and veteran's comps. The ones for the opens are still not up.

The NCAA rule change pertaining only to pre college prospects and prize money was adopted in April and effective starting in October.

I certainly didn't mean to imply Sherry was at DITD, instead rather that since Everett obviously knows Posthumous and has been in DITD Saturday nights finals before, I'd imagine the issue has been looked into . . . especially since Lisa and Sherry had several other good Stanford student fencers at DITD in addition to Meghan.

Of course even if the fencers didn't care about the NCAA, the Nevada Gaming Commission might take issue with gaming chips being presented to someone under 21

b.t.w. isn't Anna Garina, the winner of the WE competition, one of the fencers who was allegedly offered (and refused) a bribe by a supposed supporter of Elaine Cheris a few years back?

edew · 01-11-2003, 05:00 AM

I did not have a chance to see all of Anna Garina's bouts during the day, but from what I saw, she doesn't have enough to be in the caliber of world cup level epee fencer. She's way too slow. She's gifted with a long lanky body and long thin arms. But other than that, she had zilch with regards to footwork and speed and tempo. Maybe she has great point control. But I didn't have much evidence to go by.

BugabooX · 01-11-2003, 11:49 AM

An interesting assessment. I remember reading something similar about your own abilities.

But then you never can put much value on one person's expert opinion, ya know?

Miep · 01-11-2003, 12:10 PM

Anna Garina is ranked 73rd in the FIE WE standings.

135711 · 01-11-2003, 02:51 PM

we've exhausted the prize money topic, it soundslike it was agreat event, i was too out of condition to even try. the move from the pacific to the atlantic took a lot out of me, i feel a little jealous fromit, i really lost a lot of momentum, but over 40 and can only look forward to local/regional events with possible national events in 3-4 years. i''m back to foil, i control it a little better, but i love epee, so i'll pick it up again, in about 6 months. lucky for me, i found a good place to train in. i shot a few baskets and i found that my visual perceptions improved during my foil class. i think it was aiming for the basket thing and jumping into the air, youhave to shoot correctly in order to see any change whatso ever. the duel looks like the place to fence, later and maybe next year amigos.

edew · 01-11-2003, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by BugabooX
An interesting assessment. I remember reading something similar about your own abilities.

But then you never can put much value on one person's expert opinion, ya know?

I doubt it. No one ever made a claim that I'm a world cup level fencer of any repute. I certainly have not.

veeco · 01-11-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by edew
I did not have a chance to see all of Anna Garina's bouts during the day, but from what I saw, she doesn't have enough to be in the caliber of world cup level epee fencer. She's way too slow. She's gifted with a long lanky body and long thin arms. But other than that, she had zilch with regards to footwork and speed and tempo. Maybe she has great point control. But I didn't have much evidence to go by.

It's quite hard to get an opinion on someone's fencing in just 4 5-touch bouts, especially in the DITD gala finals. However, I got to see a couple of her bouts during the day, and I think she's an alright epee fencer. She's definitely much better than most of US women's epee fencers that I have seen.

The other thing to keep in mind, Eric, is that she was fencing Felicia, who's left-handed, and Anna is left-handed as well. Usually, bouts between 2 left handed fencers (in epee) tend to be somewhat dull.

I think she was just trying to get the chips and that's it. She managed to do it, that's good enough ;-).