Definition of a "Large Cant"

[peterlista]

Just a quick question to all those of you who consider your weapon's cant "large" ...how do you define large? I read/hear this especially from epee fencers (and usually from those who pommel), but haven't been able to quantify what "large" means. Are we talking 5+ degrees, 10+ degrees, more?

And as a side note, where are you measuring this from? I usually assume it is, how many degrees more than 180 (a straight tang)... but I am willing to say I am probably wrong.

[noodle]

its arbitrary. i think that "large" is the couple of degrees right before it fails the tube test. different setups will produce a different exact degree that produces failure.

[Gav]

"How long is a piece of string?"

[noodle]

"How long is a piece of string?"

24.7 cm

[Bonehead]

Optimal foil handle angle is between 18 and 21 degrees (Percept Mot Skills. 2004 Jun;98(3 Pt 1):920-6.)

[Gav]

24.7 cm

That's not the length I have over here...

[Purple Fencer]

That's not the length I have over here...

You've got 9.72 inches??

[peterlista]

Is it just me, or is it usually Gav who gets threads way off topic?

[piste off]

Large to me is as much as legally possible (to where the grip is not going outside the guard).

R-

[chinbeard]

According to Tom Arnold, Roseanne Barr has a pretty large one.

Edit: Nevermind, I misread the title.

[yearsofwisdom]

mines 11 inches long O_o

[Morale Officer]

24.7 cm

That's not the length I have over here...

You've got 9.72 inches??

mines 11 inches long O_o

I love it when men start comparing the length of their string...

[yearsofwisdom]

mines clearly largest.

[Rockstar44]

i think that "large" is the couple of degrees right before it fails the tube test.

Here's your answer.

[peterlista]

Here's your answer.

Haha, thank you, I kind of figured that was going to be the best answer I would get.

[oiuyt]

Percept Mot Skills. 2004 Jun;98(3 Pt 1):920-6.

Abstract of cited paper.

-B

[fencerbill]

Large to me is as much as legally possible (to where the grip is not going outside the guard).

R-

Do you have a reference that says the grip going outside the guard is not legal?

You can have a guard that is as large as the inside diameter of the gabaret test apparatus. And the weapon must go through the test apparatus with the blade parallel to the axis of the test cylinder.

But if the guard diameter is smaller than the maximum allowed, the weapon can go through parallel to the axis while the grip does extend beyond the guard.

[thetortfeasor]

how I know I'm tired: I read the thread title as 'Definition of a Large ... ' something else, and wondered why it was in the Armory section instead of the Water Cooler/Game Threads forum, haha.

I need sleep.

[peterlista]

Do you have a reference that says the grip going outside the guard is not legal?

You can have a guard that is as large as the inside diameter of the gabaret test apparatus. And the weapon must go through the test apparatus with the blade parallel to the axis of the test cylinder.

But if the guard diameter is smaller than the maximum allowed, the weapon can go through parallel to the axis while the grip does extend beyond the guard.

And the reason for having a smaller guard in epee is...? I see no good reason, maybe you can explain.

[fencerbill]

And the reason for having a smaller guard in epee is...? I see no good reason, maybe you can explain.

You are right about Epee. But I didn't originally read the initial post as saying it was restricted to only Epee. I read it as more of Epee as an example.

In Foil, you will find several different sizes of guards. And for those who choose smaller than the max, the grip can exceed what I call the shadow of the guard.

But I agree, unlikely to be a preference for smaller than max size for Epee.