2010 NCAA Northeast Regionals Results

[bbower]

Initial seedings and formats for Sunday's tournament at Brown are now posted.

This is all preliminary. Nobody should infer anything from the information posted. It is for entertainment purposes only.

http://www.prisedefer.com/results/Tournaments/NCAA2010/

[epeemike81]

Brian,

What's the format this year? I've heard there's been a change...

never mind... formats are listed on the page linked to...

-m

[foilwatcher]

thanks for your efforts!

[hello?]

Very entertaining. Thank you!

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Thanks, using Mgriff rule of a thumb timing, and assuming poule of 12 will be triple stripped - you're looking at a 9 hour epee day?

[bbower]

Thanks, using Mgriff rule of a thumb timing, and assuming poule of 12 will be triple stripped - you're looking at a 9 hour epee day?

Oh hells no.

1st round are pools of 5. All pools of 7 will be double stripped. Final 12 triple stripped.

[epeemike81]

Thanks, using Mgriff rule of a thumb timing, and assuming poule of 12 will be triple stripped - you're looking at a 9 hour epee day?

Your math escapes me...

1st round - pools of 5 = 45 minutes
2nd round - pools of 7 = 2 hours (conservatively... faster is certainly possible)
3rd round - pools of 7 = 2 hours
Final round - pool of 12 tripled = pool of 7 singled = 2 hours

Total: 6:45.

Since we're planning on doubling the 7's, it's actually 4:45. Either way I'm not sure where you came up with 9.

-m

[bbower]

Keep in mind that a round of pools with 5 total pools takes a lot less time than a round of pools with 37 total pools, as at a NAC.

The chance of a having a pool with nightmarish delays (equipment/injuries/Pat reardon refereeing) is lower, and the ability to recover from said delays is faster since the slow pool is more noticeable.

[epeemike81]

Keep in mind that a round of pools with 5 total pools takes a lot less time than a round of pools with 37 total pools, as at a NAC.

The chance of a having a pool with nightmarish delays (equipment/injuries/Pat reardon refereeing) is lower, and the ability to recover from said delays is faster since the slow pool is more noticeable.

especially since all Pat Reardon related delays will be confined to the Midwest Regionals. Maybe that's why they take 2 days to do what the rest of the regions do in 1?

-m

[hello?]

So mean!!! LOL

[bbower]

There's nothing mean about it. I'm just stating a fact that Pat is a human rain delay when it comes to fencing tournaments.

I mean there's slow, really slow, Charles Greene, insufferably slow, and Pat Reardon.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Is it worse depending on whether he's reffing a mens event or a womens event???

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Your math escapes me...

1st round - pools of 5 = 45 minutes
2nd round - pools of 7 = 2 hours (conservatively... faster is certainly possible)
3rd round - pools of 7 = 2 hours
Final round - pool of 12 tripled = pool of 7 singled = 2 hours

Total: 6:45.

Since we're planning on doubling the 7's, it's actually 4:45. Either way I'm not sure where you came up with 9.

-m

Tripling 12 - would not there be a lot of consecutive bouts for a fencer, so 3 minute breaks would be prerequisite?
At least 1/2 hour between each round?
My thinking initially was - as I did not realize that you would be doubling 7's and tripling 12 : 1+2+2+3+1.5 = 9.5 - but I've never been on tournament committee, etc. - just have fenced a lot of pools.
Anyway - I really like the format - a fencer could conceivably fence 27 bouts in 1 day - what's there not to like?

[mexico]

Initial seedings and formats for Sunday's tournament at Brown are now posted.

This is all preliminary. Nobody should infer anything from the information posted. It is for entertainment purposes only.

http://www.prisedefer.com/results/Tournaments/NCAA2010/

Is this type of info available for Midwest Regions?

[MyrddinsPrecint]

When Bower is involved in a tournament, the time between rounds is not a half hour unless there is a very good reason for it-- a lunch break, only so many total strips, etc. That may happen once or twice throughout the day, otherwise you're looking at 1.5 minutes for the last pool or two that comes in to be entered, 3 minutes for things to be printed out/clipboarded, and 5-10 to get refs in and out with their new pools. Those are conservative estimates, and assume that you need to assign Gamal one of those pools (you may be sending someone else to start getting people checked in).


Also of note-- it's not a ref's job to make sure that each and every fencer is getting 3 minutes between bouts, it's only that a fencer can ask for 3 minutes if they so choose. Obviously when a pool is being triple stripped, that's more likely than when a pool is being single stripped, but when it's a pool of TWELVE, it's not the same concern as when it's a triple stripped pool in the single digits. Some fencers may ask for a minute, and I'm sure they'll get it if they do have bouts that are close together, but even with triple stripping, half of the fencers are sitting there with nothing to do at all times.


Note: As I've already given my Harvard recs--- For Ice Cream, Ben&Jerrys, For Hot Beverages, Tealuxe. For quick food, East Side Pockets, for a sit down meal, Kabob& Curry--- All on or directly off of Thayer St.

[oiuyt]

assume that you need to assign Gamal one of those pools

Should be a safe assumption that Gamal will NOT be refereeing at NCAA Regionals....

-B

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Note: As I've already given my Harvard recs--- For Ice Cream, Ben&Jerrys, For Hot Beverages, Tealuxe. For quick food, East Side Pockets, for a sit down meal, Kabob& Curry--- All on or directly off of Thayer St.

IIRC recall from my last campus visit - actually outstanding pit BBQ and grilled seafood, great hot sauces :

http://www.eastcoastgrill.net/

for tapas :

http://www.dalirestaurant.com/home.html

and I had an incredible sundae in some very old eatery on campus.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Should be a safe assumption that Gamal will NOT be refereeing at NCAA Regionals....

-B

Well, yes, given the Harvard thing. I was just making worst case scenario time estimates. Gamal walking across a gym is such an outlier that I usually just plan for him, even if I've got a pile of sabre bouts to assign in front of me (Which I obviously wouldn't be handing to Gamal even if he is there and is reffing.)

[MyrddinsPrecint]

IIRC recall from my last campus visit - actually outstanding pit BBQ and grilled seafood, great hot sauces :

http://www.eastcoastgrill.net/

for tapas :

http://www.dalirestaurant.com/home.html

and I had an incredible sundae in some very old eatery on campus.

I gave my Harvard recs in the Harvard thread, and those were not sit down places. These recs were for places around Brown. If we're going to give recs for places as far away from Harvard as SOMERVILLE, we're going to have to make a new watercooler thread. I kept mine to places in Harvard Square, and then to places that a small child could get either a cold or warm sweet treat.

[MdA]

Where are Columbia's MF fencers in the initial seeding?