I have noticed that there are no saber masks in black. I am just wondering why this is? Also why are foil and epee masks the same when epee can score hitting the head and foil cannot? Wouldn't it be more appropriate for saber and foil masks to be the same and epee to be a seperate category?
I have noticed that there are no saber masks in black. I am just wondering why this is? Also why are foil and epee masks the same when epee can score hitting the head and foil cannot? Wouldn't it be more appropriate for saber and foil masks to be the same and epee to be a seperate category?
The head is a target in epee and sabre. Sabre, like foil, requires a lame to register a hit. Hence, sabre masks are made of conductive metal with fully conductive bibs, both of which tend to be silver in color.
The head is a target in epee and sabre. Sabre, like foil, requires a lame to register a hit. Hence, sabre masks are made of conductive metal with fully conductive bibs, both of which tend to be silver in color.
Exactly, so why does foil share the same mask as epee? Wouldn't it share the same mask as saber since saber and epee have head targets while foil does not?
Exactly, so why does foil share the same mask as epee? Wouldn't it share the same mask as saber since saber and epee have head targets while foil does not?
I'm extremely confused by your jump in logic. You want to put a conductive mask on foilists because they don't have head targets? That would make the face a valid target.
The epee is a simple on/off switch, so it doesn't need any conductive gear. Thereby, the standard mask accomplishes the goals of both the foil and the epee while reducing light reflection and corrosion.
Exactly, so why does foil share the same mask as epee? Wouldn't it share the same mask as saber since saber and epee have head targets while foil does not?
Epee and foil don't work the same way.
Foil is a normally closed electrical circuit. When the tip is depressed, that circuit opens. If the hit in on the guard or a grounded strip, nothing happens. If on the lame, power goes into the lame and out the A line of the body cord of the guy who got hit. If it hits off target (bare floor, arm, leg, HEAD), the circuit opens and power can't go anywhere, thus the white off target light.
Epee is a normally OPEN circuit. Depressing the tip closes the circuit and fires the light (unless it's on a grounded strip or the guard).
Foil have a defined target area...hence the lame. The rules also require the mask be insulated to prevent a hit to the mask from scoring (if you used a sabre mask and sweat a LOT, you might create a salt bridge, allowing a hit to the mask to travel to the bib, which may be in contact with the lame...presto, valid hit on the equipment)
Epee does NOT have a defined target area...but the mask still needs to be insulated...if you use a sabre mask, land a shot to the bib and part of the blade is in contact with the mask shell, it'll act like hitting the guard...NO hit.
Exactly, so why does foil share the same mask as epee? Wouldn't it share the same mask as saber since saber and epee have head targets while foil does not?
no. becaue the entire body is target area in epee, there is no need for conductive material on the mask. the weapon scores touches differently than saber.
Epee does NOT have a defined target area...but the mask still needs to be insulated...if you use a sabre mask, land a shot to the bib and part of the blade is in contact with the mask shell, it'll act like hitting the guard...NO hit.
Actually there is no requirement for epee masks to be insulated (m.27 is a foil rule) - although I agree that it would probably be a good idea.
Whether or not the scoring machine would register a hit would also depend on the machine. Older machines that used a common ground certainly wouldn't register a touch if there was a short between the tip and the grounded blade however some newer machines (SG, Eigertek) will register the touch even if there is an internal short.
Actually there is no requirement for epee masks to be insulated (m.27 is a foil rule) - although I agree that it would probably be a good idea.
Whether or not the scoring machine would register a hit would also depend on the machine. Older machines that used a common ground certainly wouldn't register a touch if there was a short between the tip and the grounded blade however some newer machines (SG, Eigertek) will register the touch even if there is an internal short.
Thanks for the correction....one of my cats passed away this morning and my mind's not entirely there.
THIS is what we should have done this entire time. We should have forced epeeist to wear completely conductive body suits and masks. Just insulate the weapon.
Then we would have need for only 2 settings... and no need for conductive strips!!
THIS is what we should have done this entire time. We should have forced epeeist to wear completely conductive body suits and masks. Just insulate the weapon.
Then we would have need for only 2 settings... and no need for conductive strips!!
And we'd have the added bonus of looking like robocop!
I have noticed that there are no saber masks in black. I am just wondering why this is? Also why are foil and epee masks the same when epee can score hitting the head and foil cannot? Wouldn't it be more appropriate for saber and foil masks to be the same and epee to be a seperate category?
Because it looks cool.
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THIS is what we should have done this entire time. We should have forced epeeist to wear completely conductive body suits and masks. Just insulate the weapon.
Then we would have need for only 2 settings... and no need for conductive strips!!
And we could really broaden the sport's appeal to the sci-fi demographic!
Last edited by JacoKierkegaard; 02-18-2010 at 02:01 PM.
Originally Posted by kb1200 
