Legalizing Mr. W!!!

[D'Artagnan1673]

Originally posted by Tim P. Miceli
I think that what it comes down to is responsibility and use in moderation.

There are are plenty of substances that if used without responsibility can wreck someones life.

Alcohol and drugs come to mind.

If the responsible use of a substance in moderation does not have any bad effects then why can't it be legal?

How many people do you know who are responcible with drugs? Perhaps I am being narrow minded, but I've always had the prejudice that irresponcible people were more likely to delve into drugs. Also, is it just a myth that drugs can form lifetime addictions with only minor use? Alcohol is something of a different thing. I know plenty of people who can responcibly drink alcohol in that they know when to quit. I know enough to know that I don't know when to quit once I start feeling the effects of alcohol so I don't drink alcohol terribly often.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by D'Artagnan1673
Also, is it just a myth that drugs can form lifetime addictions with only minor use? Alcohol is something of a different thing. I know plenty of people who can responcibly drink alcohol in that they know when to quit. I know enough to know that I don't know when to quit once I start feeling the effects of alcohol so I don't drink alcohol terribly often.

So, then, you would be somebody who responsibly uses a drug (alcohol). Answered your own question, didn't you? as for whether drugs form "lifetime addictions", the answer is no. some drugs are physically addictive. your body goes through withdrawal when you don't do it. however, you can certainly survive withdrawal, and then you are no longer addicted. other drugs, like marijuana, are NOT physically addictive, but as with anything, one can become psychologically addicted to them. clearly, such addictions can be broken. So, the concept of a "lifetime addiction" is just wrong.

btw, Tim, the major argument which I have heard against legalization is that marijuana is a "gateway" drug. I personally think that is bull****.

-m

[Tim P. Miceli]

Note in the above post I was not sugesting the legalization of drugs that can cause actual physical harm to the user especially after only one time use, i.e. cocaine, heroin, PCP...

As far as being responsible about drugs... there are plenty of people who know how to be responsible with drugs be it alcohol or marijuana, and there are plenty of people who are addicted be it mentaly or physicaly. This is the reason why we have associations like AA (Alcoholics Anonamis sp?) and the such.

One note about forming addictions though. Granted alot of substances do have addictive properties (nicotine, cocaine ect...) However when someone gets addictied to somthing it is generaly more a resultant of the persons personality that the addictive properties of the drug. Psycologists have determined that a person can have an addictive personality. This explanes why certain people can addicted to things that don't even have addictive properties, this is where we get psycological addictions.

any way I have to go now, let me know what you think.

[civiltech]

Smoking Marijuana is carcinogenic. Smoke is cancer causing.

Funny story....there are several groups in Canada which lobby the government for the decriminalization, and actual legalization of Marijuana. In fact, we have a political party called "The Marijuana Party of Canada." No, they don't have any seats in the House of Commons yet!!!

However, when Health Canada recommended a couple months ago that they would develope a patch (much like the nicotine patch) for medicinal use, it was met with a lot of unhappy pro-pot health advocating groups. The patch would help chemotherapy patients, etc. quicker, and there would be no harmful smoking side effects. (Lung irritation, asthma problems, lung cancer, etc.)

I wonder if the 'medicinal usage' is just a side show for a lot of groups as an excuse to legalize there fancy. Lets face it, there's no culture, or fun in putting a patch on your arm. Or passing around the ol' patch! In this instance, people wanted to smoke it! Where is the logic in that?

When Canada does eventually legalize it, I guarantee companies like Benson and Hedges will get out of the cigarette racket, and just put the same ol' chemicals in Marijuana and mass market that product! There will be excellent money to be made in pot!

Like everything else in this world, I believe that whatever the cause, whatever the mission, be it for the good of mankind, or not, SOMEONE IS GONNA GET RICH OFF THE IDEA, OR IT WOULD NEVER GET OFF THE GROUND!!! (ie. - I didn't see recyling suddenly save the world..However there are a lot of people who nowprofit from us sorting our garbage!)

[attila]

I know this guy who was all messed up on drugs. Then, as a solution to his addiction he found the LORD. Now he is addicted to passing the word. Now he is all messed up ON the Lord. I liked he a whole lot better whe he was a stoner.....

[Tim P. Miceli]

WARNING FLAME BELOW



I find it kind of sad that we can talk the subject of Drugs into the ground but Religion is somehow taboo, and if someone is willing to express their religious belifes that, they are somehow a freak, granted some people can be obnoxious about it. But when someone is BI$%&ING about someone who has turned to God for his answers in stead of drugs Just Rubs me the wrong way.

WTF would you have him do? waste his life and end up OD and die or be a vegtable. Just because YOU may not like his personality any more and are uncomfortable hearing what he has to say now that it has to do with God instead of the kind of hash that he toked up last night.

So you don't really like him as much any more, so what. Instead of complaining about how he curred his addiction, can't you just be happy that he found a cure for himself and leave it at that?

OK DONE VENTING

[Swordsman]

Thank you, Tim. I think you speak for many of us, and quite effectively at that.

[Inquartata]

Well...in terms of harmfulness, religion has probably caused at least as much death and misery as have drugs, though.

However, I have no problem with the pious of any faith... just so long as they are capable of taking "I'm not interested, please stop yammering on about it" for an answer. Dopers are at least less tenacious proselytizers...

[attila]

Gee Tim. don't hold back1

I wish i knew where you lived so I could send him your way. He likes to come by on sunday mornings ,usually around 7. He wakes me and my hangover by knocking loudly at my door and boldly informing me that is his "mission" to make sure today i develop a "personal" relationship with god. And as often as i remind him that I'm a card carring member of the world wide church of Ozzie eternal of the black mass-- he ****ing won't let up. Oh,yeah. I can't wait to see him stoned again..

Ever notice that the way too religious have no stinkin' sense of humor.....

[civiltech]

Sounds like an addictive personality! What I mean is that someone who does everything to the extreme. There is no moderation.

Maybe in a few years the god kick will end, andhe will go on a health kick, and he will be a big health freak. Maybe a new sport he will go nuts about? Maybe drinking? It's usually a phase, no?

[civiltech]

Yesterday, (January 2nd, 2003) a Provincial Court Judge in Hamilton Ontario threw out a charge against a 16 year old kid for possesion of Marijuana. The guy was caught with one joint I believe. This has now rasied big media attention, and may have set precedent. I don't fully understand the criminal system, but the judge agreed with the defending lawyer that there was no defining laws to convict someone on marijuana possession under 30g in the criminal code. I don't really understand the specifics.

Anyways, there you go. The first step along that slippery slope has been made. For the good or for the worse.

[Tim P. Miceli]

Originally posted by attila
Gee Tim. don't hold back1

I wish i knew where you lived so I could send him your way. He likes to come by on sunday mornings ,usually around 7. He wakes me and my hangover by knocking loudly at my door and boldly informing me that is his "mission" to make sure today i develop a "personal" relationship with god. And as often as i remind him that I'm a card carring member of the world wide church of Ozzie eternal of the black mass-- he ****ing won't let up. Oh,yeah. I can't wait to see him stoned again..

Ever notice that the way too religious have no stinkin' sense of humor.....

Yes I will admit it that this guy is overdooing it when it comes to you, Try telling him that by comming on so strong he is actually driving you away from God and into a Giant hand-basket along with a bunch of other people.

I think Civiltech is on to somthing by saying that this guy has an addictive personality at least from the way you describe him. If it is REALLY Bad I might sugest that he get some help about it after all there are alot worse things to be addicted to than marijuana and religion.

[earlie]

Well yes the latest trend is the deep inhalation low down I am talking about using the grass down in the lower mouth, you know, the A-hole. Sport stars are also doing it and it is in the nightyclubs the nightclubs for a true high, a realy real high.
Day-glow, day-glow, doo-doot-dooh!

[attila]

As proven by the previuous post. this is what happens to your brain when you sprinkle vege-mite onto our fave bit of Thai stick and smoke it through a djideradoo......

I gotta get me one of those

[135711]

illegal.. there's a reason, it shows up later on in life, it completely muddies up the brain, unless you're dying of a painful disease, but there's morphine for that, but they don't use it anymore.

[Kallisto]

For Marijuana ignorance control try:

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/marijuana/