I always thought that the USFA could save money by outsourcing epee referees to India. Cameras over each strip and a white courtesy phone in each quad. The phone would play the attached script...
kind of funny, but i do tend to think that technology is approaching the ability to autopilot epee w/o a referee necessary. or rather, it is becoming more affordable to build something that does this, imo.
kind of funny, but i do tend to think that technology is approaching the ability to autopilot epee w/o a referee necessary. or rather, it is becoming more affordable to build something that does this, imo.
Don't I wish. I lost against Moutou of France 2-3 in overtime at the World Cup in Lisbon because of a bad call. I scored and the director said after the halt for cops-a-corps. He attacked I parried he continued I remised(even if you believe that it should have at least been a card for corps-acorp to avoid a touch). Should have been allowed and I should have won.
Does kind of look like contact happens after your riposte then before your remise.... Maybe it's the angle - sorry mate
That's my bias as a referee though.
I do agree there is contact with the start of my remise. But since he initiated the contact shouldn't I be allowed to finish my move?
It also felt like but maybe not evident from viewing that he went for body contact after he knew he couldn't score and expected to get baled out as evident by his flapping arms. Is that not corpe-a-corpe to avoid a touch and hense a card?
Regardless there is a lot more to directing epee than many people believe.
ROW fencers expect to be screwed, and are prepared. Epee fencers don't, and aren't. We're also the most vicious, the most patient, and have long memories.
Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo,
Aureli pathetice et cinaede Furi
I do agree there is contact with the start of my remise. But since he initiated the contact shouldn't I be allowed to finish my move?
If downunder had said that there was contact as you remised, yes. He said there was contact "before your remise," as in, before your remise had started, so you remised after the halt. I agree with downunder, but I also agree with you that the contact was intentional.
Should be a card for corps-a-corps to avoid a touch, but you shouldn't get the point. Your first jab failed because he ran into you. Your second hit, but after the c-a-c.
Should be a card for corps-a-corps to avoid a touch, but you shouldn't get the point. Your first jab failed because he ran into you. Your second hit, but after the c-a-c.
Ding!! Give that man a box of chocolate bonbons for making the correct call!
And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.
This was simply supposed to be kinda funny, not a serious discussion on the merits of epee fencing or real refs... amazing that it got taken so seriously
This was simply supposed to be kinda funny, not a serious discussion on the merits of epee fencing or real refs... amazing that it got taken so seriously
Well, there are so many useful discussions on here that get taken off-track (with the original posters getting their noses bent out of shape about the digressions in the process, of course) that it seems only fair that every once in a while there should be a silly one that has the misfortune to become useful!
Epee is easy to direct. Right up until the point where it is not.
R-
So true. Even as an epee fencer, I did not realize how true this was until I took the test and refereed a couple of semi-high-level bouts myself. It can almost feel like its own 'sport.'
Originally Posted by telkanuru
ROW fencers expect to be screwed, and are prepared. Epee fencers don't, and aren't. We're also the most vicious, the most patient, and have long memories.
Not saying it was floor -- or wasn't. Just saying it's not easy:
Should be a card for corps-a-corps to avoid a touch, but you shouldn't get the point. Your first jab failed because he ran into you. Your second hit, but after the c-a-c.
You be right, 'cept - after watching the touch about 8 times in slo-mo - I am not positive who causes c-a-c, it seems like there could be contact with the opponent's mask on Dr.W's first counter (if it is a counter, from that angle if it's opposition/riposte - I would not be able to tell).
I will defer to Downunder, though.
Randal : [after the fire at the Quick Stop] Terrorists?
[Dante shakes his head]
Randal : I left the coffee pot on again, didn't I?
[Dante nods]
How true - I remember losing bouts on bad calls eons ago,
while sabreurs perhaps brush it off, and pray to the G-ds of The Ref Assignment Dept not to get the "screwer" again, or at least in a DE.
Randal : [after the fire at the Quick Stop] Terrorists?
[Dante shakes his head]
Randal : I left the coffee pot on again, didn't I?
[Dante nods]
So true. Even as an epee fencer, I did not realize how true this was until I took the test and refereed a couple of semi-high-level bouts myself. It can almost feel like its own 'sport.'
Not saying it was floor -- or wasn't. Just saying it's not easy:
Originally Posted by noodle 
