Question about the flick attack/parries

[catwood1]

I just watched this bout. It's Limbach's 2nd touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HFzqHhCDXc

This is just a parry 2, not the action purple was describing. Limbach's hand isn't nearly as low as the hybrid parry in question.

[Bonehead]

However, I can't see any reason to use your mod2

But I can show that Parry Mod 2 forms a finite simple group of Order 2.

God it's been forever since I took abstract.

[Purple Fencer]

First off, well done Jason.

Anyway, I see what you mean Purple. It seems like what you're going for is a hybrid of 4 and 2. However, I can't see any reason to use your mod2 instead of either a 4 or a 2 in any given situation.

If someone can find a vid of Mariel in Athens -- either the semi or the final -- I can point out her using almost the exact action I describe....Limbach's 2nd touch in that vid isn't what I describe.

Remember that in a parry position, you're not trying to stop an attack with the foible half of the blade. You can do it in foil, but not in sabre.

Why not? A stopped attack is a stopped attack.

The position you show would really only stop a wrist cut. A true side cut would land on your arm/wrist. A chest or belly cut would hit the target THEN maybe ricochet into the guard on the follow through.

It's not designed for a side/chest/belly cut, tho....that's what 1 and 4 are for.

And a low line attack that finishes to your outside line would go right through your foible and hit you.

Not so...if a low line attack is coming in and there's blade contact because I make a parry action....it's my parry (unless I hit the bottom 3rd of the other blade)....then it's up to me to riposte...plus, remember that I'm trying to direct the other blade below my waist...below my valid target....so even if I miss the parry, I get hit in the leg, and then land my own hit valid...it's going to be attack no, counter attack yes...touch me.

I'm trying to get away from the typical men's game (at least at the level I see locally) of both guys advance, both guys cut, and both try to convince teh director that THEIR cut started first.....give the director one light and make it easy on all of us.

[catwood1]

So what attack are you trying to stop? And try and elaborate on why its better than either a 4 or a 2...


And as to why you need to use you're forte and not the foible. I have 2 answers for you: The rulebook, and physics.

[Purple Fencer]

So what attack are you trying to stop? And try and elaborate on why its better than either a 4 or a 2...

Picture this....opponent's advancing on you...his blade is down...I mean point almost on the strip down...complete absence of blade. You're still on guard in 3 (same-handed opponent, btw)

Opponent makes an attack -- one that starts from the floor (below your waist i.e. below your target area) -- aiming for clear target...stomach/chest/maybe the elbow.

You see it coming and move your blade into the position I've been talking about....won't you make that parry at or below your waist i.e. below your target area? Does that not leave opponent's entire arm exposed for a riposte...or his head??

If done correctly, you hit foibles....nothing's gonna move much. if you're late, his forte will move your foible....but in that case it's on the back 3rd of his blade anyway, so he still had RoW. If YOUR forte hit his foible it'll be your parry because 1) you made the parry action in the first place and 2) HE hit YOUR blade on the back 3rd....meaning it's your parry regardless...YOU take RoW.

And again...as I've said SEVERAL times...if you direct your opponent's blade below your target area, it doesn't matter if he hits you or not if you land your own riposte...hitting below the wait does NOTHING...no light, no halt of action for an off target, etc...

And as to why you need to use you're forte and not the foible. I have 2 answers for you: The rulebook, and physics.

See above for both. And if you get a one light shot, neither one matters.

[erooMynohtnA]

Jesus Christ. This is retarded.

2 is, for lack of a better term, a sweeping parry. It depends on timing. It's like parrying 4 for a headcut. You can do it, but you have to do it at the right moment because it doesn't actually close the line the attack is coming from, just intercepts it at the right time and sweeps (or beats) it away. Retard-2 is, for lack of a better term, a position parry. You just keep your blade there and it will stop anything that tries to go through it, in this case, anything coming up from knee level. Very useful if you have bad timing, bad distance, and are fencing retards.

I can't believe I am getting sucked into this.

[Purple Fencer]

Jesus Christ. This is retarded.

I can't believe I am getting sucked into this.

You could'a just walked away, y'know.

Very useful if you have bad timing, bad distance, and are fencing retards.

Oooo....don't let Sarah Palin hear you say that....she'd have to look at the writing on her hand to see if she should respond in righteous indignation or not...depending on your political party, of course.

[Allen Evans]

You could'a just walked away, y'know.

...all the rest of us did...