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    Jacket with different country code

    Hello,

    I'm studying in America but am from Korea. I'm on a student visa and not a citizen but want to fence in local tournaments and competitions. On my jacket, I have my last name and underneath it my country code for Korea (KOR). Will I be allowed to fence with this? What types of competitions will/won't allow it?

    If allowed, I have one last question. If I buy another jacket here in US, will I be allowed to get (KOR) printed on the back or will I have to wait until I go back to Korea for that? Do American armorers only put USA on it?

    Thanks for help. I don't know if this belongs here or armory, sorry.

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    You will be allowed to fence in any competitions in this country with "KOR". Any of the vendors that print names should be willing to print "KOR" in place of "USA".

    You're not going to have any problems in this area.

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    Except people will think that your really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cOREA View Post
    Hello,

    I'm studying in America but am from Korea. I'm on a student visa and not a citizen but want to fence in local tournaments and competitions. On my jacket, I have my last name and underneath it my country code for Korea (KOR). Will I be allowed to fence with this? What types of competitions will/won't allow it?

    If allowed, I have one last question. If I buy another jacket here in US, will I be allowed to get (KOR) printed on the back or will I have to wait until I go back to Korea for that? Do American armorers only put USA on it?

    Thanks for help. I don't know if this belongs here or armory, sorry.
    In most cases, the only events that require a name are national (NACs) and those don't require USA (but its allowed, as is KOR). I did see that one of the upcoming ROCs is requiring names on uniform, sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    You will be allowed to fence in any competitions in this country with "KOR". Any of the vendors that print names should be willing to print "KOR" in place of "USA".

    You're not going to have any problems in this area.

    -B
    Cool, thanks!

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    Except people will think that your really good.
    Lol, I hope to be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdad View Post
    I did see that one of the upcoming ROCs is requiring names on uniform, sigh.
    The ROC Advisory Group (or whatever we're currently calling that committee) has established a policy that names are required on uniforms at all ROCs. So it should be all upcoming ROCs are requiring names.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    You will be allowed to fence in any competitions in this country with "KOR".
    Except National Championships, and qualifiers for same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquartata View Post
    Except National Championships, and qualifiers for same.
    If he or she is eligible for said tournaments, he or she would be allowed to fence in them with "KOR" printed on his or her jacket. Look around in Atlanta this July and you'll probably see a few non-USA country codes (not even including Y10 and Y12, which are not National Championships).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    The ROC Advisory Group (or whatever we're currently calling that committee) has established a policy that names are required on uniforms at all ROCs. So it should be all upcoming ROCs are requiring names.

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    Wow, now they really are just like NACs.

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    Although, that was on the official askFred ROC page last fall, too. It wasn't enforced, at least for Remenyik. Will that be changing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by larkascending View Post
    Although, that was on the official askFred ROC page last fall, too. It wasn't enforced, at least for Remenyik. Will that be changing?
    Will all organizers enforce all rules?

    Will all referees enforce all rules organizers tell them to enforce?

    Is it really a rule?

    Which question are you asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    Will all organizers enforce all rules?

    Will all referees enforce all rules organizers tell them to enforce?

    Is it really a rule?

    Which question are you asking?

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    If it is a rule, why isn't it in the Athletes Handbook

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    It's on the bottom of page 16 of my copy. (Not ROC specific) What isn't there is that most local and other regional tournaments do not require the name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KD5MDK View Post
    It's on the bottom of page 16 of my copy. (Not ROC specific) What isn't there is that most local and other regional tournaments do not require the name.
    There was a recent thread addressing the contradictory wording of this page. It both requires the name at all tournaments and then requires it only at national tournaments. For the purposes of this thread, I think that a ROC would require it in any case.

    And, my favorite line from the new Handbook,

    "USFA Note: Masks may feature colored designs on condition that they are approved on the sole and absolute discretion of the Head
    Referee, and is unacceptable at that event.”

    Can anyone explain this one to me?
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    I'm pretty sure a spell checker auto corrected or accidentally corrected that from "unappealable" which I believe was in the original phrasing of that statement years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstar44 View Post
    There was a recent thread addressing the contradictory wording of this page. It both requires the name at all tournaments and then requires it only at national tournaments. For the purposes of this thread, I think that a ROC would require it in any case.

    And, my favorite line from the new Handbook,

    "USFA Note: Masks may feature colored designs on condition that they are approved on the sole and absolute discretion of the Head
    Referee, and is unacceptable at that event.”

    Can anyone explain this one to me?
    Pointing stuff like this out is extremely cesspool of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdad View Post
    If it is a rule, why isn't it in the Athletes Handbook
    Good question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockstar44 View Post
    And, my favorite line from the new Handbook,

    "USFA Note: Masks may feature colored designs on condition that they are approved on the sole and absolute discretion of the Head
    Referee, and is unacceptable at that event.”

    Can anyone explain this one to me?
    Quote Originally Posted by KD5MDK View Post
    I'm pretty sure a spell checker auto corrected or accidentally corrected that from "unappealable" which I believe was in the original phrasing of that statement years ago.
    The paragraph was added during the editing of the current version of the AH. The language is taken from the US version of the rulebook, although it was edited, both removing a spelling error present in the rulebook and, as noted by KD5, changing the word "unappealable" to "unacceptable". I suspect it was not an auto-correct, but an insufficiently carefully done human-approved change. My version of Word suggests "unappeasable" as the correction for "unappealable."

    The formerly-included language stating that mask designs must be submitted 6 weeks in advance of the competition and approved by the FOC was also retained in this section of the AH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    Good question.





    The paragraph was added during the editing of the current version of the AH. The language is taken from the US version of the rulebook, although it was edited, both removing a spelling error present in the rulebook and, as noted by KD5, changing the word "unappealable" to "unacceptable". I suspect it was not an auto-correct, but an insufficiently carefully done human-approved change. My version of Word suggests "unappeasable" as the correction for "unappealable."

    The formerly-included language stating that mask designs must be submitted 6 weeks in advance of the competition and approved by the FOC was also retained in this section of the AH.

    -B
    Just for fun I am going to design a mask pattern and submit it for approval, where do I send it? Jeff B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    If he or she is eligible for said tournaments, he or she would be allowed to fence in them with "KOR" printed on his or her jacket.
    From what the OP has said, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he is not...

    Quote Originally Posted by oiuyt View Post
    Will all organizers enforce all rules?

    Will all referees enforce all rules organizers tell them to enforce?

    Is it really a rule?

    Which question are you asking?

    -B
    He cannot possibly have been asking you ANY question, my fellow Cesspuddlian. Unless of course you are really Jeff B incognito...

    Quote Originally Posted by fdad View Post
    If it is a rule, why isn't it in the Athletes Handbook)
    Address your query to Christine, if you please! We cannot raise JB's ire any further!

    Quote Originally Posted by fdad View Post
    Just for fun I am going to design a mask pattern and submit it for approval, where do I send it? Jeff B?
    To be safe, send it to Christine and ask her to pass it on to the proper authority.

    Be sure to copyright it first, so no one steals your work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inquartata View Post
    To be safe, send it to Christine and ask her to pass it on to the proper authority.

    Be sure to copyright it first, so no one steals your work...
    Don't worry, I was planning to steal my design from Martin Brodeur.

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