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 Originally Posted by migopod  I suggested Ubuntu since it is remarkably easy for the uninitiated to use. And most people will have everything work out of the box with Ubuntu... which is kind of unusual for Linux and it's greatest asset since the setting stuff up manually part is what drives new Linux users to quit the most. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it."
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Gods I hate Linux/Windows/Mac shouting matches. No different than which is best: saber, epee or foil. Actually, it's even worse, it's like naming your weapon.
Gah!
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Originally Posted by I_luv_saber And most people will have everything work out of the box with Ubuntu... which is kind of unusual for Linux and it's greatest asset since the setting stuff up manually part is what drives new Linux users to quit the most. It's sad, isn't it? Sometimes I long for the golden days when I'd have custom kernels compiling all night long on the old 486 and spending days resolving source package dependencies just to get the sound card working. Or installing slackware on a laptop. The Horror.
When I installed Ubuntu on my current laptop absolutely everything worked out of the box. Probably the third simplest OS install ever, right behind OS X and BeOS. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Originally Posted by tchwojko Gods I hate Linux/Windows/Mac shouting matches. No different than which is best: saber, epee or foil. Actually, it's even worse, it's like naming your weapon.
Gah! What we really need is for some crusty BSD evangelist to jump in and make it really fun! Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Originally Posted by migopod What we really need is for some crusty BSD evangelist to jump in and make it really fun! LA LA LA!!! I can't hear you!! (Where's the smiley that covers its ears?)
Seriously, I've delivered software on DOS, most Unix variants (including embedded versions with QT/E and other GDIs/GUIs), EPOC/Symbian, Mac, OS/2, every version of Windows, Java, and even written some software in Postscript to talk to a printer for fun. They're tools. Use the one that works for whatever you're doing. If you're spending more time futzing with the tool than accomplishing the task, then you're doing it wrong.
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I know it's "so yesterday", but:
Apple Launches Text-sharing Device, the CoTex
Absorbs Heavy Flow of Data, Says Jobs
CUPERTINO (The Borowitz Report) - In the same week that it launched its much-touted iPad, Apple introduced its latest game-changer to the tech marketplace, a text-sharing device called the CoTex.
"There are a lot of texting devices out there that can absorb data," said Apple founder Steve Jobs. "But nothing absorbs more than a CoTex."
Mr. Jobs said that when used in conjunction with Apple's just-released mobile device, the AllWays StayFree, "the CoTex has what it takes to handle a heavy flow of information."
When asked about the flurry of new products that Apple has released at the end of January, Mr. Jobs mused, "I guess it's that time of the month."
Elsewhere, a new poll shows that 90 percent of Republicans who did not hear President Obama's State of the Union address disagreed with it.
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And my home machines run OpenSolaris or Ubuntu! "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different."
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Originally Posted by tchwojko LA LA LA!!! I can't hear you!! (Where's the smiley that covers its ears?)
Seriously, I've delivered software on DOS, most Unix variants (including embedded versions with QT/E and other GDIs/GUIs), EPOC/Symbian, Mac, OS/2, every version of Windows, Java, and even written some software in Postscript to talk to a printer for fun. They're tools. Use the one that works for whatever you're doing. If you're spending more time futzing with the tool than accomplishing the task, then you're doing it wrong. Some might say that if you're spending more time futzing than being productive that you're doing it for fun ;D
I'm way less of a Linux fanboi than I used to be*, but I still think that one of the nice things about the whole Ubuntu project is that they're attempting to target a more general-user audience to deliver a product that requires much less futzing and meets the actual needs of a huge segment of desktop-class users that MS** does not actually address well even though the popular perception is that it does.
You're right though, OS evangelism (worse yet, distro evangelism) is silly***.
*I reserve my true wrathful fire for the Editor Wars!
** note how I didn't spell MS with a dollar sign?
*** Editor evangelism, on the other hand is a serious and noble pursuit. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
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Originally Posted by migopod Editor evangelism, on the other hand is a serious and noble pursuit. If you start a vi vs. Emacs war, I'm going to have to ask Gav to lay some serious penalty on you! 
(and they both suck!) "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different."
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Originally Posted by jeff If you start a vi vs. Emacs war, I'm going to have to ask Gav to lay some serious penalty on you!
(and they both suck!) I suspect that even if I tried my darndest to start one, nobody would play along.
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Originally Posted by migopod I suggest that you try downloading the live CD/DVD image. You can boot to the CD/DVD and explore freely without having to install anything permanently. I suggested Ubuntu since it is remarkably easy for the uninitiated to use. Alright then I'll take the tour.
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Originally Posted by migopod I suspect that even if I tried my darndest to start one, nobody would play along. vi of course! emacs is just a toy!
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Originally Posted by migopod Some might say that if you're spending more time futzing than being productive that you're doing it for fun ;D It's perfectly fine for the futzing and fun to be the product!
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Originally Posted by jeff (and they both suck!) I had to translate a FORTRAN program (functions of pressure-volume-tempureature of water) into LISP. No editor in the world would have helped that. Line 1:
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Wow, apparently the iPad really CAN do everything! Including whack 4% off the value of Apple's stock...  Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you!
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Originally Posted by migopod I suspect that even if I tried my darndest to start one, nobody would play along. Thank God. I thought that war ended in the last century with emacs declared as the winner.
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Wow, apparently the iPad really CAN do everything! Including whack 4% off the value of Apple's stock... Sell on news behavior? I seem to recall AAPL behaved similarly when the iPhone was released. The tech geeks who say "It doesn't do X!!" miss the point.
I don't know whether the iPad will do as well as the iPhone or AppleTV, but I think it's a bit early to decide. Even if it is a flop, Apple doesn't sell things at a loss, and their financials won't be hurt. Their iPhone/iPod/Mac lines are all still making a ton of money, and growing.
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