12-12-2002, 10:23 PM
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#61 | | Senior Member
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| Quote: Originally posted by civiltech
Your statement:
"Try being a straight white middle class male when it comes to college admissions time, and scholarship applications..."
Do you think this shall be interpreted as racist?
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How does claiming discrimination against my own class make me anything -ist? That's like calling blacks racist for saying they were discriminated against.
Your statement:
"Then you get the people (especially females) who are a minority from one of the coasts..."
Do you think this shall be interpreted as sexist?
I don't see why. It's a statistically proven fact that they have an easier time getting into schools, getting scholarships, etc. Minorities have a better chance, especially from the seaboards, and it always helps to be female. It's just a fact.
Your statement:
"Because if you don't have enough minorities, etc. in your school anymore, you're racist, sexist, and every other -ist you can think of..."
Upon further review, how do you think this shall be interpreted?
I should hope it would be interpreted as a statement of the reason that schools bow to minorities of any kind.
I apologize as well - I interpreted your post to mean that you personally thought I was a racist...etc. I see now what you were saying about how it COULD be seen that way.
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12-15-2002, 11:10 PM
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#62 | | Senior Member
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| He's right
Hey Civiltech he is right. Certain schools do have to meet their quotas of minorities/males/females. The ideal America would be to base everything off of merrit. But we couldn't do that, the balance of racial quotas would be destroyed. We as Americans could never have true equality. Basing jobs/school admissions off of merrit is how it should be. But we need the false sense of "equality", 10 whites 10 blacks 10 hispanics. That is not equality, that is crap. If the admissions happen to work out that way fine, but they usually don't. There are more strait white males, with better credentials getting defered from the better colleges and jobs then any other group in the US. Again I will state that is not equality, it is the democratic/communist form of equality. There has been a great book just written that any democrat should read, to realize how unAmerican manyof their views are. "Why the Left Hates America", but it now, maybe America can be restored to a coutnry bassed on equality, not "equality"
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12-16-2002, 09:10 AM
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#63 | | Senior Member
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| Re: He's right
Quote: Originally posted by KShan5[PrFC]
Hey Civiltech he is right. Certain schools do have to meet their quotas of minorities/males/females. The ideal America would be to base everything off of merrit. But we couldn't do that, the balance of racial quotas would be destroyed. We as Americans could never have true equality. Basing jobs/school admissions off of merrit is how it should be. But we need the false sense of "equality", 10 whites 10 blacks 10 hispanics. That is not equality, that is crap. If the admissions happen to work out that way fine, but they usually don't. There are more strait white males, with better credentials getting defered from the better colleges and jobs then any other group in the US. Again I will state that is not equality, it is the democratic/communist form of equality. There has been a great book just written that any democrat should read, to realize how unAmerican manyof their views are. "Why the Left Hates America", but it now, maybe America can be restored to a coutnry bassed on equality, not "equality" |
Please refer to my message of December 11th clarifying this issue.
If you don't understand it, please let me know and I will try to break it down a little more for you.
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12-16-2002, 12:32 PM
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#64 | | Senior Member
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| Thanks for the backup
The support is appreciated, KShan, but what he's referring to is that he was saying I could be seen as racist...etc. Not that he does see me that way.
It's okay!! We're all on the same side here!!
"Okay, you're right."
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"No, you're not listening to me - I'm telling you, you're right!!"
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Don't worry, my girlfriend and I do the same thing all the time - argue for half an hour before we realize we're agreeing with each other.
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12-16-2002, 07:12 PM
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#65 | | Member
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Okay, you're right.
"No, I'm right!"
"No, you're not listening to me - I'm telling you, you're right!!"
"I'm right, dammit!!"
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I'm pretty sure this is a direct quote from a debate we held, Swordsman.  When it's 11:30 and you're still on the phone debating the same subject you've been arguing for over two hours, you tend to stop listening. 
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01-12-2003, 11:02 PM
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| I am an immensly huge non-conformist, independent, left of center SOLDIER. Now, don't you think it is useful to have a few of us to counter balance those on the other end?
That said, yes, women should be required to register for the draft as well as men. The draft however, should be for more than direct military service. Some people are better suited to other duties, some can contribute in other manners; however national service is not a bad thing and in time of extreme national emergency or threat, IF a draft was reinstated, THEN it should include men and women.
Why not three catagories of national service: military, social, envornmental. Everyone between the age of 19 and 27 must register. No educational deferments other than you get to finish the term enrolled when your number comes up. Family deferrments from military service however must complete other form of national service, single parents with kids under 6 exempt.
What would be nice is a world where fear was not such a prevelent currency of power and persusian, where no one had to register for the draft and there was no threat or worse, expectation of impending war.
If only the world could approach differnces like on the rugby pitch, battle it out for a set period with enforced and defined laws of conduct and then have a good party together when its over. | |
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01-12-2003, 11:08 PM
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#67 | | Senior Member
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| Sounds awfully reasonable to me.
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01-13-2003, 12:06 AM
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| That has to be one of the most sensible suggestions I have heard in ages. I personally know I would be excluded from military service (would not pass the physical) but would relish the chance to make a difference in some way....Epidemiology is not always number crunching!!
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01-13-2003, 05:41 PM
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#69 | | Member
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| Drayke the society your talking about is similar the the book "The Giver" by Lois Lowry. If you've ever read the book you know how well that seemed to work for them no one was really happy. For those of you who haven't its about a city where everyone is selected for a position (similar to the draft) and they have only the choice of fulfilling that job or leaving the community. Your idea is a type of communism with the government telling everyone what they have to do.
People have tried to form utopian communites before and they have failed. The simple fact is Americans and so many others want to choice their own way not have a different way forced on them. Thats why we have the freedoms we do. Our founding fathers wanted to choose their own path. Also thats why so many Europeans immigrated to America so they could have the freedom to choice their way of living.
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01-13-2003, 06:13 PM
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| There's a fine balance here, Cristina, between freedom and control. While nobody wants a communist "utopia" like in The Giver (yes, I've read it), neither does anyone want anarchy. That's even less pleasant. So we need laws, and government. While the draft does suppress some liberties, it is a far cry from communism.
It's a give-and-take, really. The draft steps on some liberties, in order to protect the rest of them. Sacrifice a pawn, save your queen. What Drayke suggested is really just a version of the draft. Sacrifice one choice, and a little liberty for a few years, and gain from it - increased productivity, larger workforce, boosted economy (money going into pockets is thence spent), training for the whole demographic, and a chance to get out of a small-town-trap, bad neighborhood, etc. for a lot of people. Add to that increased patriotism. I'd say it's a fair trade.
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01-13-2003, 11:32 PM
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#71 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| I'm not sure that all of those benefits can really be expected to flow from the draft. After all, it is the government which would be running it... | |
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