Leon Paul tip screws

[YellowSocks]

Okay, sorry if there is already a thread about this, I only looked for ~10min prior to making this.

So I have made the switch to all LP blades w/LP tips. Just started using a brand new tip and last practice it was shedding a screw literally ever bout (and these were 5 touch bouts, too). I just bought a bag of LP screws at the NAC, and labeled them as such, so I know I'm putting the right replacements in. I am of the impression that LP tip screws tend to be stay in tips much better than the standard German or French do, which is why I spent the extra money to buy LP rather than using my German screws, which *can* fit. I remember my other LP tip kept its screws through several tournaments.

So, any advice on keeping the screws in place? Think maybe someone did a bad job tapping the point?

[SJCFU#2]

So, any advice on keeping the screws in place?

Cut your losses and simply replace the point - especally if it's only the one.

[keeper of the swords]

Ditto on trying a new point. Also, check/retighted after each bout (because, you do check to be sure that there are two in place before each bout ? A SMALL drop of clear nail polish or blue locktite on the threads will help retain.

[melensdad]

We swear by the LP screws at our club and at the school. I help armor at both and the head armorer (also same at both) has switched everything over to LP tip screws. But we do not necessarily use LP tips. Just the screws. The others have said, and it makes some sense, see what happens if you replace the tip with a different brand and continue to use the LP screws. Its certainly worth a try. Our experience is that the LP screws tend to bite better no matter what the brand of tip with which they are used.

[SJCFU#2]

Our experience is that the LP screws tend to bite better no matter what the brand of tip with which they are used.

Just keep in mind that once you fit a LP screw into a French or German tip there's no going back to French or German screws (at least not and expecting them to hold).

[melensdad]

Just keep in mind that once you fit a LP screw into a French or German tip there's no going back to French or German screws (at least not and expecting them to hold).

True.

[YellowSocks]

So the moral of the story is, order more LP screws and try one of my old FWF tips to see if it works. I seem to recall the tip doesn't fit the LP barrel though? I'd rather not have to do a full rewire for the sake of replacing the entire point. Also I remember from the last time I rewired an LP blade that the FWF barrel only sort-of fits on the LP blade's threads.

Probably just not tightening the screws enough. I'll try the loctite if all else fails.

[YellowSocks]

Thanks keeper of the swords. And melonsdad and SJCFU#2.

(because, you do check to be sure that there are two in place before each bout ?

If I didn't check my tip before ever bout, how could I claim I was missing a screw after each bout?

[SJCFU#2]

I seem to recall the tip doesn't fit the LP barrel though?

Seems unlikely - most major manufacturer's epee tips are more of less compatible with one another. However it's also not impossible.

Also I remember from the last time I rewired an LP blade that the FWF barrel only sort-of fits on the LP blade's threads.

In this case it seems more likely that the threads were messed up somewhere - the thread for the barrel is specified in the rules (m.20.4) but sometimes dies get out of whack (usually due to overuse, but every once in a while you hear about someone trying to adjust a split die and overdoing it).

[DHCJr]

In this case it seems more likely that the threads were messed up somewhere - the thread for the barrel is specified in the rules (m.20.4) but sometimes dies get out of whack (usually due to overuse, but every once in a while you hear about someone trying to adjust a split die and overdoing it).

Yes, the size thread is specified, but there is another area that is not specified and does make barrels and blades incompatable without modifications.

Look at the threaded end of the barrel. You will see some manufacturers indent the beginning of the threads and some do not. Those that do will not tighten down on the blades from other manufacturers that have a fewer number of threads. Those that do not indent will have a problem of shorting out on the blades of manufacturers that have more threads.

Both of these problems are solveble, but it does take some work.

[Craig]

Also I remember from the last time I rewired an LP blade that the FWF barrel only sort-of fits on the LP blade's threads.

We haven't noticed that problem and we make a decent number of FWF tip + LP epee blade epees.

Craig

[YellowSocks]

We haven't noticed that problem and we make a decent number of FWF tip + LP epee blade epees.

Craig

I remember one of the guys at DFC having that exact combination in fact. I always thought the tip looked like it wasn't going on all the way. So I suppose there are just more threads on the LP blades?

Out of curiosity, why do people put FWF tips on LP blades?

[Purple Fencer]

I remember one of the guys at DFC having that exact combination in fact. I always thought the tip looked like it wasn't going on all the way. So I suppose there are just more threads on the LP blades?

Possibly...if the threading's long and the hole in the bottom of the barrel's wide enough, the tip could project into the barrel and cut down on how far the cup can be pushed.

[Craig]

Out of curiosity, why do people put FWF tips on LP blades?

Why do people put LP tips on BF blades? Or French points on Russian blades?

Personal preference.

Craig