Reffing question in chair

[Greybeard]

I have been given leave to drill and do light bouting since my most recent stroke, as I was doing my lunges in the garage the question popped in my my mind.

At command "fence" I do a low line attack and my opponent extends and hits as wellwith a resulting double light touch. Until they enforce the new FIE rule that any double light touch in foil is obviously mine is it just a matter of who started first, who extended first or a no all because we went at the same time?

Is there really any difference between chair and AB for this call?

Thanks

[Omar Bhutta]

I have been given leave to drill and do light bouting since my most recent stroke, as I was doing my lunges in the garage the question popped in my my mind.

At command "fence" I do a low line attack and my opponent extends and hits as wellwith a resulting double light touch. Until they enforce the new FIE rule that any double light touch in foil is obviously mine is it just a matter of who started first, who extended first or a no all because we went at the same time?

Is there really any difference between chair and AB for this call?

Thanks

I only have limited chair reffing experience, but to my knowledge, there is not much difference between chair and AB foil with this call. The main difference being that calls in chair are much much tighter. Otherwise, it is the same: If you start an attack first, you have right of way. If you start with preparation, you are vulnerable to AiP.

I'd be curious to hear from refs who have more chair experience.

[epeemike81]

I only have limited chair reffing experience, but to my knowledge, there is not much difference between chair and AB foil with this call. The main difference being that calls in chair are much much tighter. Otherwise, it is the same: If you start an attack first, you have right of way. If you start with preparation, you are vulnerable to AiP.

I'd be curious to hear from refs who have more chair experience.

And it should be noted that if both fencers are starting in high line, the one who attacks in low line must have necessarily prepared by changing lines initially.

-m

[downunder]

And it should be noted that if both fencers are starting in high line, the one who attacks in low line must have necessarily prepared by changing lines initially.

-m

I didn't know changing lines was a preparation?

[TooLoftheDeviL]

And it should be noted that if both fencers are starting in high line, the one who attacks in low line must have necessarily prepared by changing lines initially.

-m

That is indeed a frightening assertion. Especially by able-bodied standard.

[epeemike81]

That is indeed a frightening assertion. Especially by able-bodied standard.

I'd need video to show you what I mean...

While it's certainly possible to execute an attack from high line en garde to a low line target without preparing, frequently the line change to low line happens before the initiation of the attack (think of hand and blade drop pretty much straight down, then extend from low line to the target). Mostly talking about sabre, but the same principles would be true in foil.

In AB this is almost always on the first, out of distance step and thus doesn't impact the attack call. In wheelchair the distance is collapsed and the opponent doing a simple attack into this is far more likely.

-m

[Omar Bhutta]

And it should be noted that if both fencers are starting in high line, the one who attacks in low line must have necessarily prepared by changing lines initially.

-m

I'd need video to show you what I mean...

While it's certainly possible to execute an attack from high line en garde to a low line target without preparing, frequently the line change to low line happens before the initiation of the attack (think of hand and blade drop pretty much straight down, then extend from low line to the target). Mostly talking about sabre, but the same principles would be true in foil.

In AB this is almost always on the first, out of distance step and thus doesn't impact the attack call. In wheelchair the distance is collapsed and the opponent doing a simple attack into this is far more likely.

-m

That is the change/clarification I think we were wanting to see.

[Greybeard]

I know, I'll quit fencing, that'll show them. Problem solved. Fencing in a chair is so fast, It too a while to get used to it. I got a few yellow cards at Nationals for fidgeting. Even my excuse, "but Sean, I have seizures didn't work." It is so much fin fencing chair, once you are finished schleping.

Speaking of which, It seems almost every airline uses regional jets ot puddle jumpers into Montreal. Is there a problem loading the chair? You can pop the wheels but the frame doesn't fold.

[Wetmelon]

Nah, Canadair Regional Jets have lots of room. Should be able to stow it with the check-at-the-door luggage, assuming you can walk to your seat. Otherwise, I believe the first row has folding airline seats and you stay in your chair???

Check this out: http://www.nwa.com/services/onboard/...l/access.shtml