How do you call this?

[whtouche]

Im fairly certain I know who to award the touch to in this situation, but how do you actually call this action?
In sabre:
Fencer A is chasing Fencer B. He is not prepping.
Fencer B while retreating attempts a stopcut. It lands his light goes off.
Fencer A realizing he's been hit and must finish his attack soon, lunges to finish his attack. His front foot hits the strip, then he lands his cut. Both lights are off.
Now if both fencers were advancing, and the same had happened it would be something like Attack no, counter attack, or attack no, riposte? I believe. But in this situation what would it be called?
Thanks

[Purple Fencer]

Attack B, counter-attack A. Touch goes to B

No WAY A could get the point if he thinks "Hey, I've been hit...better make my cut!" If B had begun his final action (cut) THEN got hit, it'd be his point. But he didn't...

[HilandDoug]

so is fencer A advancing with a bent arm? Or is their arm fully extended? What is the difference in the tempo of their actions? Does a full tempo seperate the hits? Or is it more like: advance, advance, advance, stop cut for hit from B, light goes off, advance lunge hit from A?

[MikeHarm]

I think B would do a better job to lock in the right of way in for them by doing the stop cut then parrying in A's origional line of attack forcing fencer A to visibly lose right of way by being parried or having to clearly change their line of attack.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by whtouche
Im fairly certain I know who to award the touch to in this situation, but how do you actually call this action?
In sabre:
Fencer A is chasing Fencer B. He is not prepping.
Fencer B while retreating attempts a stopcut. It lands his light goes off.
Fencer A realizing he's been hit and must finish his attack soon, lunges to finish his attack. His front foot hits the strip, then he lands his cut. Both lights are off.
Now if both fencers were advancing, and the same had happened it would be something like Attack no, counter attack, or attack no, riposte? I believe. But in this situation what would it be called?
Thanks

Stop hit arrives from the right, remise from the left. Touch Right.

(note: right = B, left = A)

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Purple Fencer
Attack B, counter-attack A. Touch goes to B

No WAY A could get the point if he thinks "Hey, I've been hit...better make my cut!" If B had begun his final action (cut) THEN got hit, it'd be his point. But he didn't...

The issue is in the timing of the foot. whtouche said that the foot landed, and THEN the cut was made. when your foot lands in a lunge, your attack ends. The cut is thus a remise, and B gets the touch. it is NOT, however, an attack from B, or a counter attack from A.

-m

[edew]

I'd call it as such:

On the march by A, B makes a stop cut IN TIME. Touch for B. A's continuation is late, and moreover, misses and the remise is then WAAAY LATE (as an extra edification for the fencers).

[Saber-Psycho]

From what was given, I would say attack in preparation from fencer B.
Plus even if the stop cut didn't come in time, since the foot landed before the cut hit, it would be attack short riposte anyway.

[Stryder]

It seems I am in the minority. I would give the attack based on the description given.
An attack can consist of an advance and a lunge.
The lunge began after the counter-attack and completed before the cut landed (which has no bearing on the right of way whatsoever)

If there is no prep from the attacker, then he has two steps to finish, so he gets the touch.

Granted this sounds like an impossibly great amount of fencing to occur without running out of time or reacting in some way which would get you called in prep, but if the description is accurate it is technically the attackers point.

Most of the responses seem to be basing the call on the timing which cannot be measure from a written description after the fact.

By the way, long time no see.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Stryder
It seems I am in the minority. I would give the attack based on the description given.
An attack can consist of an advance and a lunge.
The lunge began after the counter-attack and completed before the cut landed (which has no bearing on the right of way whatsoever)

If there is no prep from the attacker, then he has two steps to finish, so he gets the touch.

Granted this sounds like an impossibly great amount of fencing to occur without running out of time or reacting in some way which would get you called in prep, but if the description is accurate it is technically the attackers point.

Most of the responses seem to be basing the call on the timing which cannot be measure from a written description after the fact.

By the way, long time no see.

But what you are not considering is that when your front foot lands in a lunge, your attack ends. if the cut happens AFTER the foot lands, it is by definition a remise.

-m

[Sabresque]

Originally posted by epeemike81
But what you are not considering is that when your front foot lands in a lunge, your attack ends. if the cut happens AFTER the foot lands, it is by definition a remise.

-m

I think that it is almost definitly fencer B's touch on the stop cut (as long as there was enough time between A and B's lights). When your front foot ends, I don't think your attack ends, though. It sure gives a humungous opening for your oponent to hit you in prep, but as long as they don't clue in on that, it's still yours. If truly the foot hitting the ground was the end of their attack, then if say A lunges, foot hits the gound, then as A quickly makes a cut right after the lunge, B should cut at the same time, by your reckoning it would be B's attack, because A has made a (miss?) once his foot has landed, then it's B's attack because he's gained the riht of way. I'm confused. I'm probably reading something wrong into what you're saying, but I'm curious how this works.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Sabresque
I think that it is almost definitly fencer B's touch on the stop cut (as long as there was enough time between A and B's lights). When your front foot ends, I don't think your attack ends, though. It sure gives a humungous opening for your oponent to hit you in prep, but as long as they don't clue in on that, it's still yours. If truly the foot hitting the ground was the end of their attack, then if say A lunges, foot hits the gound, then as A quickly makes a cut right after the lunge, B should cut at the same time, by your reckoning it would be B's attack, because A has made a (miss?) once his foot has landed, then it's B's attack because he's gained the riht of way. I'm confused. I'm probably reading something wrong into what you're saying, but I'm curious how this works.

nope, you are reading it correctly. Many directors aren't skilled enough to call this, but at high levels, your front foot landing ends the attack. a touch which arrives after the foot is by definition a remise.

-m

[KShan5[PrFC]]

I don't think you even need to use the word stop cut, or anything like that. It is just attack (A) is no, repost(B), remise(A).