Junior Olympics, Memphis

[fnzizxpnzve]

Schedule is up http://usfencing.org/pages/4262.

[Coldfire]

Wow, all the JR and Div1 mens sabre events seem to be on Friday this season.

[fencer92]

Wow, all the JR and Div1 mens sabre events seem to be on Friday this season.

Yes, even before we get to JOs it will have meant 5 missed days of school.

Argh!

Fencer's Mom

[Mo]

If a junior fencer, was on the points list but is not presently, still has an "A" rating and a lifetime membership in the USFA, would they have to fence in the qualifiers to enter the Junior Olympics?

The Momster

[pillow]

If a junior fencer, was on the points list but is not presently, still has an "A" rating and a lifetime membership in the USFA, would they have to fence in the qualifiers to enter the Junior Olympics?

The Momster

Has the fencer ever competed internationally?

[Mo]

Has the fencer ever competed internationally?

Yes, often, but not lately.

[bigdawg2121]

Mo, assuming your fencer decided they wanted to compete and submitted a petition I imagine they'd get approved as long as the petition didn't say, "really I just didn't go to qualifiers b/c I'm too l33t for thes n00bs."

[pillow]

Yes, often, but not lately.

Well, if it included the World Champs and Olympics, and if the fencer still happens to be on the Senior points list (if not the Juniors) then a petition would do nicely.

[Mo]

Mo, assuming your fencer decided they wanted to compete and submitted a petition I imagine they'd get approved as long as the petition didn't say, "really I just didn't go to qualifiers b/c I'm too l33t for thes n00bs."

Big, she is not really the type to think she is too l33t for anything. We are really sorry she isn't fencing anymore and thought perhaps we could talk her into going to the JOs.
It is hard to decide if fencing junior would be a not nice thing to do or a good thing to do.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The Momster

[eac]

All you need for a petition is a valid reason you weren't at the qualifier and a reasonable set of results to indicate that you would have qualified. You have the latter, and you can be creative with the former.

[oso97]

Do note that attendance at a school outside one's "home" division is not considered a valid reason. Then again, since the person we're discussing here has likely not fenced in a USFA event this season, her "home" division for this year has not been set. Hypothetically speaking, if she should declare her home division the one she goes to school at, and then start coming up with creativites...

[Capt. Slo-mo]

and $100.

[bigdawg2121]

Do note that attendance at a school outside one's "home" division is not considered a valid reason. Then again, since the person we're discussing here has likely not fenced in a USFA event this season, her "home" division for this year has not been set. Hypothetically speaking, if she should declare her home division the one she goes to school at, and then start coming up with creativites...

Do note that they put attendance. Things related to attendance, so much. Also, Mo, note that I wasn't implying that your fencer would write that they were too l33t (indeed I should hope they know better than to text like a 12 yr old gamiglng addict); I was simply giving an example of how absurd that petition would have to look for it to be rejected.

[KD5MDK]

Well, if it included the World Champs and Olympics, and if the fencer still happens to be on the Senior points list (if not the Juniors) then a petition would do nicely.

Is it possible to be age eligible for Juniors, be on the Senior Points list but not be on the Jr Points list? You'd have to have Sr events which weren't counted for Juniors as anything...

[fdad]

Is it possible to be age eligible for Juniors, be on the Senior Points list but not be on the Jr Points list? You'd have to have Sr events which weren't counted for Juniors as anything...

Points earned at designated international senior events (e.g. Olympics) do not flow down to junior points.

[teacup]

Points earned at designated international senior events (e.g. Olympics) do not flow down to junior points.

While Olympic points don't flow down, senior world cup points do. (Not sure why Olympic points don't.)

For example:
Women’s Saber 2010 Junior World Championship Selection Criteria

Selection Date: February 22, 2010

Sum of Group I and Group II

Group I = Sum of FOUR highest points earned at 1-6
1. Under-19 National Championships, July 2009
2. NAC Junior (Under-20): November 2009, January 2010
3. NAC Division I: December 2009, January 2010
4. Division 1 National Championships, July 2009
5. Junior Olympic Under-20 Championships, February 2010
6. Competitions specified in Group II below not included in Group II sum

Group II = Sum of the FOUR highest points earned at 7-10
7. 9/1/09 – 2/22/10: Designated Junior World Cup competitions
8. 5/01/09 – 2/22/10: Designated Senior World Cup competitions
9. 2009 Junior World Championships (top 16 results)
10. 2009 Senior World Championships (top 32 results)

[hello?]

If a junior fencer, was on the points list but is not presently, still has an "A" rating and a lifetime membership in the USFA, would they have to fence in the qualifiers to enter the Junior Olympics?

The Momster

I cannot imagine that this 'petition' would not be approved!!! I THINK that the main thing that the USFA wants to avoid is having fencers 'petition' simply because they think they might not have qualified at the qualifiers...clearly not the case with this 'hypothetical' fencer.

[KD5MDK]

While Olympic points don't flow down, senior world cup points do. (Not sure why Olympic points don't.)

For example:
Women’s Saber 2010 Junior World Championship Selection Criteria

Selection Date: February 22, 2010

Sum of Group I and Group II

Group I = Sum of FOUR highest points earned at 1-6
1. Under-19 National Championships, July 2009
2. NAC Junior (Under-20): November 2009, January 2010
3. NAC Division I: December 2009, January 2010
4. Division 1 National Championships, July 2009
5. Junior Olympic Under-20 Championships, February 2010
6. Competitions specified in Group II below not included in Group II sum

Group II = Sum of the FOUR highest points earned at 7-10
7. 9/1/09 – 2/22/10: Designated Junior World Cup competitions
8. 5/01/09 – 2/22/10: Designated Senior World Cup competitions
9. 2009 Junior World Championships (top 16 results)
10. 2009 Senior World Championships (top 32 results)

None of those would apply in this case, and non-designated Senior World Cups can count for Sr. points but not Junior.

[teacup]

None of those would apply in this case, and non-designated Senior World Cups can count for Sr. points but not Junior.

I understand that Olympic points don't roll down to junior, and posted as such, but foildad posted this:

Points earned at designated international senior events (e.g. Olympics) do not flow down to junior points.

But Designated Senior World Cup competitions, do roll down to junior but as you stated not non designated events.

Am I missing something?

[Mo]

Do note that they put attendance. Things related to attendance, so much. Also, Mo, note that I wasn't implying that your fencer would write that they were too l33t (indeed I should hope they know better than to text like a 12 yr old gamiglng addict); I was simply giving an example of how absurd that petition would have to look for it to be rejected.

I actually have no clue what "l33t" even means.
Sorry for being touchy, it has been kind of rough lately.
Too much bs going around.
The Momster