have you ever carded, or been carded for it? I'm more interested in tournaments where competitors were technically and physically competent, but they still managed to do something that was strange enough to warrant a card.
A cocky kid (who was a C, and later earned his B) tried to score the last point in a bout that was currently 14-1 by attempting to score through his legs (he did not turn his back, but reached behind himself). Sadly, he hit. Touch was annuled, card awarded.
have you ever carded, or been carded for it? I'm more interested in tournaments where competitors were technically and physically competent, but they still managed to do something that was strange enough to warrant a card.
I'm looking at you downunder.
No, I've never seen it or heard of any anecdote that would justify the card (see the first reply).
A cocky kid (who was a C, and later earned his B) tried to score the last point in a bout that was currently 14-1 by attempting to score through his legs (he did not turn his back, but reached behind himself). Sadly, he hit. Touch was annuled, card awarded.
Too bad there's not a "being a jerk" card for cases like that.
No, I've never seen it or heard of any anecdote that would justify the card (see the first reply).
I once refereed for a guy wearing kneepads (volleyball type) one time. It looked a little unusual but no one expected the guy to back up, run forward with foil outstretched and fling himself to his knees attempting to slide on his knees underneath his opponents parry. He failed. He in no way qualified as a good fencer though.
I once refereed for a guy wearing kneepads (volleyball type) one time. It looked a little unusual but no one expected the guy to back up, run forward with foil outstretched and fling himself to his knees attempting to slide on his knees underneath his opponents parry. He failed. He in no way qualified as a good fencer though.
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I got a card once for an abnormal fencing action. I was going into a long lunge and apparently my back shoe wasn't tied very well, so it slipped off, rolling my ancle ending up with my stalkinged foot directly on the wood floor. I was surprised and not really prepared to hold myself up so I slipped into the splits.
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I got a card once for an abnormal fencing action. I was going into a long lunge and apparently my back shoe wasn't tied very well, so it slipped off, rolling my ancle ending up with my stalkinged foot directly on the wood floor. I was surprised and not really prepared to hold myself up so I slipped into the splits.
I'm confused: What was the abnormal action here? The lunge? Falling down? Rolling your ankle?
I was going into a long lunge ... so I slipped into the splits.
Originally Posted by downunder
Halt. Only a card if you get a coloured light on your attack.
To be clear, it's only a card if your ass hits the ground, not to be too graphic about it, right? If you can do a split without anything above the knees touching the ground, isn't it just a long lunge?
One of my former students does a split which I think is legal, but he stops about two inches above the ground.
To be clear, it's only a card if your ass hits the ground, not to be too graphic about it, right? If you can do a split without anything above the knees touching the ground, isn't it just a long lunge?
One of my former students does a split which I think is legal, but he stops about two inches above the ground.
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When exactly a fall is, is a matter of interpretation as it is not covered specifically in the rules. I would imagine most referees would call halt regardless of the 'control' the fencer has. Either way it's not great fencing and ineffective beyond a local level really?
Even if the extension that resulted in the hit had already begun? Of course, you could claim otherwise, which I might have done were I refereeing.
As the fencer, I had definitely decided to attempt the stop hit before the shoe left my foot. I think it would have probably been successful, even had the shoe remained on the foot. I believe my arm was extending (or perhaps extended), and the shoe came off during the step back that followed my extension -- at approximately the same time as the touch.
My opponent was attacking, however, and would have had priority had his] attack landed. I did not have an opportunity to evade it -- it was interrupted by a flying shoe.
I have no video, so this could quite possibly descend into a silly exercise in which it is nearly impossible to explain the action clearly, because it was a bizarre accident (and even simple actions can be difficult to properly describe in text). It is understood that the order in which information was given previously would appear to indicate that the shoe left the foot prior to the beginning of the counterattack. That is a misunderstanding.
The facts, as I know them:
Attack/Counterattack scenario. Both the attack and the counterattack commence with the shoe on. The attacker is advancing, counterattacker retreating.
The counterattacker's hit arrives, and he takes a large step back to try to avoid being hit. The attacker is trying to complete the attack. Shoe leaves foot.
The shoe interrupts the attack, which never arrives. One light on the box for the counterattacker.
Now, I would be sorely tempted to just say "I called halt when the shoe came off, everything else is after the halt." And I would accept that, on piste, as it seems like a fair way to resolve an odd situation.
From a rulebook perspective, however, this call is blatantly wrong: The referee says "halt" after the touch has arrived, and the shoe leaves the foot after the touch has arrived. I am wondering if this is the one time that I have been part of an abnormal fencing action (in any capacity -- as a fencer, referee or spectator).
When exactly a fall is, is a matter of interpretation as it is not covered specifically in the rules. I would imagine most referees would call halt regardless of the 'control' the fencer has. Either way it's not great fencing and ineffective beyond a local level really?
There used to be a photo I would see everywhere -- but is now beyond my powers of Google to find -- which featured a women's foilist in full extension, in a lunge that had ended in the splits.
IIRC, this was a common strategy for this (world class) fencer: She would make a long attack that would end in the splits. Cannot remember her name, though, which might help us to identify exactly how good she was, as well as finding the photo.
She was certainly finding it sufficiently effective beyond a local level, however.
Then again, I can't think of a fencer who successfully copied her.
When exactly a fall is, is a matter of interpretation as it is not covered specifically in the rules. I would imagine most referees would call halt regardless of the 'control' the fencer has. Either way it's not great fencing and ineffective beyond a local level really?
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Reaching through the legs seems no different than reaching around the back or even around your head. Nothing beyond the range of normal human movement,nothing but a slightly different hand position.
When exactly a fall is, is a matter of interpretation as it is not covered specifically in the rules. I would imagine most referees would call halt regardless of the 'control' the fencer has. Either way it's not great fencing and ineffective beyond a local level really?
I've seen many a saber fencer do a full split near or at the end of the strip into a 5 riposte and either stay in the split or hold the position long enough to establish that were in control at the time of the touch. Calling halt just b/c the fencer is on the verge of a fall even though they might not actually fall seems a bit silly and potentially unfair. It even happens occasionally in foil.
Abnormal action story:
at a NAC last season on of fNet's posterS was reffing a bout. At the command fence fencer A pulls his foil behind his head and begins to yell 'Aaaaarghhh!!!' Braveheart style as he starts sprinting down the strip at his confused and somewhat scared opponent. The opponent jumps off the strip to evade the screaming fencer A as fencer A begins to complete his sprinting/yelling attack. The ref calls it an abnormal fencing action.
I now dangle to the left....my tassle. Get your minds out of the gutter.
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