11-16-2009, 10:34 AM
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| Magnetizing my Saber
Sounds insane, right? Well it's true.
I once tried to magnetize my saber to automatically draw in parries. Firstly, I tried taking a magnetizer thing and stroke it up and down the blade. I then realized that doing that did nothing, as when you went down the blade then went up it would simply reverse the effect.
So then I took the blade apart and just take the magnet and go down the blade.
But I tend to forget things so after about 50 strokes or something I'd stop paying attention and go the other way. So it would just reverse it again.
Then I made sure I went the correct way and moved the magnet thing down about 200 times or something, and then when I fenced it didn't really work. All it could do was pick up tiny pieces of metal. | 
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11-16-2009, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nico  Sounds insane, right? Well it's true.
I once tried to magnetize my saber to automatically draw in parries. Firstly, I tried taking a magnetizer thing and stroke it up and down the blade. I then realized that doing that did nothing, as when you went down the blade then went up it would simply reverse the effect.
So then I took the blade apart and just take the magnet and go down the blade.
But I tend to forget things so after about 50 strokes or something I'd stop paying attention and go the other way. So it would just reverse it again.
Then I made sure I went the correct way and moved the magnet thing down about 200 times or something, and then when I fenced it didn't really work. All it could do was pick up tiny pieces of metal. | Had it worked, it would have certainly been cheating. At least a red card.
EDIT: I'm not saying that it could have worked, or that it would work in a way you wanted. My comment was basically to demonstrate that this kind of tampering with your equipment is cheating, unsportsmanlike, and against the rules (which is redundant at this point).
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11-16-2009, 10:53 AM
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| Doesn't sound like a good idea. Plus I know there's some rule about messing with your equipment.
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11-16-2009, 10:57 AM
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| This is the best idea ever.
Get the strongest magnet you can find, and then put it inside your bellguard. The force will be so strong, all the other person's attack's will be to your guard! And then you will have complete control over your enemies!!! Hahahaha
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11-16-2009, 10:59 AM
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| Lamé's are made, usually, of aluminum or other non ferrous metals. A magnet, except under very special circumstances, will not be attracted to them even if magnetized. Even if the lamé was ferrous you would need a strong enough field to make a difference. The force will drop off proportional to the square of the distance so if you want to snap to the lamé from even a few centimeters it is going to require a field of several hundred thousand gauss, given that the |velocity| of the sabre is likely to be rather high compared to the acceleration produced by the magnetic force.
A better, although not useful and/or successful plan would be to induce a current in the lamé or floor cord causing the machine to falsely register a touch. I did not do very well in E&M. I would use the approximation of a bar magnet induce a current in a long thin wire for the floor cords/head cord. If you want to attack the person you could use a point magnet inducing a current in a conducting sheet for point attacks, IE end on bar magnet, or a bar magnet passing by a sheet. Still going to need a ridiculous field strength to generate the requisite voltage/current.
Assuming that the lamé, body cord, head cord and reel system has a net resistance of 10 ohm what induced current would be required? Are the boxes TTL levels or something else?
EDIT: The mask however might be magnetic, I seem to recall sticking magnets to a mask last year, not sure if it is only some brands or what but could be an interesting idea. Also I missed the too parry part and so my reply, while interesting to some, is largely irrelevant.
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11-16-2009, 11:00 AM
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| A sabre blade will never be magnetic enough to do more than pick up little bits of metal. You'd probably want something more like neodymium, but that would be far too brittle to make a functional sabre blade from.
Even if you did manage to get a strongly magnetic blade, it wouldn't work quite the way you think it should, and probably would be more of a hindrance than help.
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11-16-2009, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nico Sounds insane, right? Well it's true.
I once tried to magnetize my saber to automatically draw in parries. Firstly, I tried taking a magnetizer thing and stroke it up and down the blade. I then realized that doing that did nothing, as when you went down the blade then went up it would simply reverse the effect.
So then I took the blade apart and just take the magnet and go down the blade.
But I tend to forget things so after about 50 strokes or something I'd stop paying attention and go the other way. So it would just reverse it again.
Then I made sure I went the correct way and moved the magnet thing down about 200 times or something, and then when I fenced it didn't really work. All it could do was pick up tiny pieces of metal. | LEARN to parry instead of thinking of ways to make something else do the work for you. | |
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11-16-2009, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Purple Fencer LEARN to parry instead of thinking of ways to make something else do the work for you. | "Just go scythe the grass and stop trying to make a machine to do it for you!"  (I'm completely joking of course - aside from essentially cheating, it kills the thought of technique in fencing. I'm pretty sure this was just done in good fun though... at least I hope)
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11-16-2009, 01:36 PM
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| All of a sudden your opponents get really good at beat attacks...
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11-16-2009, 04:40 PM
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| OK, so you achieve an impossible level of magnetism and you parry...
Then what?
Hint: You are stuck too. 
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11-16-2009, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by the ancient one OK, so you achieve an impossible level of magnetism and you parry...
Then what?
Hint: You are stuck too. | Nice post.. Id rep you but i cant... too soon I guess. | |
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11-16-2009, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fatfencer Nice post.. Id rep you but i cant... too soon I guess. | I rep'd for you! lol
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11-16-2009, 09:20 PM
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| This is probably one of the best threads I have read on any forum I have been on in the past week. I really hope this post is serious. | |
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11-18-2009, 01:51 AM
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| I like it. Originality...win.
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11-18-2009, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nico Sounds insane, right? | Uh, yes.
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11-18-2009, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nico Then I made sure I went the correct way and moved the magnet thing down about 200 times or something, and then when I fenced it didn't really work. All it could do was pick up tiny pieces of metal. | Yeah but if you do this in a cemetary facing magnetic north in only your underwear and sabre mask at midnight on a summer solstice and put the magnetized sabre up to your mask and listen really really really hard you can hear the thoughts of all the ghosts of the cemetary as they hover around you drawn to the magnetism of your sabre and all the little metal bits on it whispering the same questions over and over and over... "whysthisguyinhizundiewareswhywhywhy?".
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11-18-2009, 04:20 PM
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11-18-2009, 08:21 PM
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| That definitely sounds like the dumbest way of getting black carded I've ever heard of...*
*I'm sure dumber things have been done, but I've never heard of them...
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| [QOUTE]This is probably one of the best threads I have read on any forum I have been on in the past week. I really hope this post is serious.[/quote]
I'm flattered and I'm serious. I was just really bored. Quote:
Then what?
Hint: You are stuck too.
 | I suppose that would be a factor.
Cross the whole parry bit out, more so a beat. I'd magnetize it so that I'd get the beat ever so slightly, but not enough that it would be realized by the ref. Possibly my foe would notice it but I doubt he'd say anything. It would be just enough to get that beat and the right of way better than before, and increases the chance of me beating the blade and my opponent missing the advantage of disengaging. | |
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11-19-2009, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nico Cross the whole parry bit out, more so a beat. I'd magnetize it so that I'd get the beat ever so slightly, but not enough that it would be realized by the ref. Possibly my foe would notice it but I doubt he'd say anything. It would be just enough to get that beat and the right of way better than before, and increases the chance of me beating the blade and my opponent missing the advantage of disengaging. | The only thing worse than your knowledge of fencing is your knowledge of magnetism. | |
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