Magnetizing my Saber

[catwood1]

Manifest cheating with equipment is the code in the penalty chart, but it's based on rules elsewhere. You can't justify manifest cheating without a rule stating what cheating happened. I can't say that coating your uniform in Teflon is manifest cheating with equipment with no explanation, but there would be an explanation for it and that's the rule regarding the uniform being slippery.

I think dishonest fencing is pretty vague, and would cover it, but for that same reason, that's a pretty weak call, because it can cover basically anything.

My point is that it's not your job as a referee to substitute your judgment for the rules or to twist the rules until they match your opinion (that's what fencing.net is for). Can you imagine if a cop arrested someone and said "well, there's no law against what you did, but I think it's illegal"? Or "I think what you did should be illegal, but it's not, so I'm citing you for disturbing the peace"?

If I ask really nicely, will you referee me at my next tournament? Please?

[Inquartata]

Manifest cheating with equipment is the code in the penalty chart, but it's based on rules elsewhere. You can't justify manifest cheating without a rule stating what cheating happened.

Do you think that the rules cover every possible eventuality? Or just that if someone comes up with a creative obvious cheat that's not covered, it's allowed until they get around to passing a rule change?

And if your head referee says "Card this" before that happens, do you obey or not?

[Wetmelon]

if voodoo really worked.

Ha, how do you think I've won all of my bouts?

[erooMynohtnA]

Do you think that the rules cover every possible eventuality? Or just that if someone comes up with a creative obvious cheat that's not covered, it's allowed until they get around to passing a rule change?

And if your head referee says "Card this" before that happens, do you obey or not?

I don't know if the rules cover every eventuality, but I suspect they don't. I certainly can't come up with actions or equipment that can't be carded under some rule, vaguely enough applied.

If I can come up with an obvious cheat not covered in the rules. I think someone's logic is flawed, or they're using a different working definition of cheat than I am. If the rules do not cover something, how can I be in violation of them, thus cheating?

If a head ref tells me to card for something, I'll do it. It's his tournament. It will be run how he wants.

[erik_blank]

So here is what you want to do.

1. Wrap magent wire around your sabre tang (until it looks like a regular grip) and cover in electrical tape. This will give you the ability to turn your entire sabre into an electro magent.

2. Connect to wires up your sleeves that run to a gigantic bank of capacitors you have all charged up and stashed under your jacket. (you could achieve better results if you use a larger group stored at the side of the strip. Tell the ref you need the jumper cables to keep your pacemaker going. It will only be a problem if it disturbs the keen sense of smell of his seeing eye dog.

3. When the time is right, discharge the capacitors through the magnet wire to execute your clever plan. I am not sure what the clever plan is, but it apparently involves turning your saber into a giant magnet (done). Kapow! now your sabre is a super magnet for a very short period of time.

4. Recover from burns caused by the magnet wire burning up in your hand from the amount of current you just dumped through them. You will have time to do this after being booted from the tournament.

-Shlep'

Hummm... I think that you could even get the capacitors to charge right off the scoring equipment... It's not like you need a full 120v charge to get things going here.... really only need a trickle charge to get the capacitors filled up... Of course it might take a while to get a full charge, but after about 10-50 minutes you should be good to go.
A friend of mine once got hold of a 1/2 Farad capacitor that was used in some OLD mainframe computer equipment. He was able to charge it off a couple of old lantern batteries just to prove that it could be done... Then he accidentally discharged the thing, pretty much vaporizing a screwdriver that he dropped across the leads.... fun days...

[Inquartata]

If I can come up with an obvious cheat not covered in the rules. I think someone's logic is flawed, or they're using a different working definition of cheat than I am. If the rules do not cover something, how can I be in violation of them, thus cheating?

By the swiftness with which the FOC brings down the wrath of god on that something?

Off the top of my head...AFAIK no rule prohibits you from holding a retiarius' net in your weapon hand as you fence, and trying to entangle your opponent's blade in it. I'd call that an obvious attempt to cheat, though.

If a head ref tells me to card for something, I'll do it. It's his tournament. It will be run how he wants.

Whither principle?

But seriously, just trying to get a sense of how far you'd go with your position.