New Team Events

[misha]

No matter how you schedule meaningless non-points Team events
(before, after or in the middle) they will not be properly attended.

USFA updated registration lists

ME, WE, WS - 3 teams each
MF, MS - 2 teams each
WF - 1 Team - We got a WINNER


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[hello?]

Make them open to all, not just juniors! (I know this will not make the teams jump from 2 to 200...being purely selfish here.)

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Have you looked at the schedule for the team events at NAC D, or perhaps at the earlier thread on this subject?

non-issue - really

[pillow]

non-issue - really

I wish I could agree with you. See post #41 above.

[pillow]

No matter how you schedule meaningless non-points Team events
(before, after or in the middle) they will not be properly attended.

USFA updated registration lists

ME, WE, WS - 3 teams each
MF, MS - 2 teams each
WF - 1 Team - We got a WINNER


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Is this list from the USFA website, as I'm too lazy to look? If so, can we assume that the team events will now be eliminated for NAC D?

If the team events are eliminated from NAC D, do you think the USFA will now listen to suggestions on how to better schedule or design ( eg. talk to the NCAA) the team events for the JOs to TRY to get more entries?

[fdad]

No matter how you schedule meaningless non-points Team events
(before, after or in the middle) they will not be properly attended.

USFA updated registration lists

ME, WE, WS - 3 teams each
MF, MS - 2 teams each
WF - 1 Team - We got a WINNER


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It is interesting ithat the lone Women's Foil Team is from Northwestern University. Has USFA come out with a statement that anyone that fences on that team will be eligible to fence for their club team at SN?

[Mr.MightyMouse]

I wish I could agree with you. See post #41 above.

do you really think it is because of scheduling?

[pillow]

do you really think it is because of scheduling?

I do think that scheduling is a large part of it, although there are other reasons of course. I have made numerous suggestions on this and the other thread (MS Team NAC D) as to how the USFA could have done a better job promoting team events at these two NACs. Do you have something to suggest also?

[oiuyt]

It is interesting ithat the lone Women's Foil Team is from Northwestern University.

Also interesting in that Northwestern is not a member club of US Fencing.

On a separate topic, team members can be changed up until a few days before the event (January 11th for NAC D), which allows for quite a bit of flexibility from the requirement to have to name all team members eight weeks ahead of time, when registering.

-B

[alpine]

On a separate topic, team members can be changed up until a few days before the event (January 11th for NAC D), which allows for quite a bit of flexibility from the requirement to have to name all team members eight weeks ahead of time, when registering.

Any chance the TC will change the requirement that team members must be from the same division in order to get more teams signed up?

[teacup]

Here is another snafu, someone at our club wanted to stay longer for the team event but THS didn't have any more rooms for the extra night.

[teacup]

Also interesting in that Northwestern is not a member club of US Fencing.

On a separate topic, team members can be changed up until a few days before the event (January 11th for NAC D), which allows for quite a bit of flexibility from the requirement to have to name all team members eight weeks ahead of time, when registering.

-B

The entry form states:
"Entry form must be complete with team member names in order to be processed. Any change to team member names must be received by Jan. 11 (NAC D) or March 22 (NAC E)."

The team information page, http://usfencing.org/pages/7604, states the following:

"Teams will be required to submit 3-4 team member names and captain with the team entry - this will streamline the verification of membership, NRPS and classification prior to the tournament. Those fencers who are NCAA fencers will need to self monitor club affiliation and NCAA eligibility."

Therefore can a club send in three team entries and change the names as long as it is done by Jan. 11?

Why can't the entry forms be blank, if the names can be changed up until Jan. 11?

[fdad]

Also interesting in that Northwestern is not a member club of US Fencing.

So, presumably, it could be a Division aggregate team? Of course all of the team members would need to be from the same division (even if NWU were a USFA club). Sigh!

[teacup]

So, presumably, it could be a Division aggregate team? Of course all of the team members would need to be from the same division (even if NWU were a USFA club). Sigh!

And individually have checked with the NWU NCAA compliance officer.

And will they be able to represent their home clubs at the Summer National team events?

[pillow]

The deadline for team entry is tomorrow. Does anyone know if there is a minimum number of teams in order to have the competition?

[PeterGustafsson]

Good grief.


When I look at it from afar, I get the mental image of american fencing as something that sometimes looks like a great daisy chain of maschochists, each one spanking the (non-FIE clad) butt of the one infront with a sabre blade, arm in full swing.

Why is it so hard to get a simple competition invitation together? How difficult can it be to understand the concept that there is no "I" in the word TEAM?


Flabbergasted,

Peter Gustafsson

[pillow]

Good grief.


When I look at it from afar, I get the mental image of american fencing as something that sometimes looks like a great daisy chain of maschochists, each one spanking the (non-FIE clad) butt of the one infront with a sabre blade, arm in full swing.

Why is it so hard to get a simple competition invitation together? How difficult can it be to understand the concept that there is no "I" in the word TEAM?


Flabbergasted,

Peter Gustafsson

Peter, you really cannot be surprised by this stuff by now. You are familiar enough with the world of US fencing to know exactly how things work. Although the vast majority of the problems we have are self-inflicted, we manage to muddle through. Unfortunately, the subject of this thread regarding team events at NACs, has highlighted some very poor decision making, as evidenced by the fact that no team event has more than three entries at this time, which is one day before the entry deadline.

I'm sure we would welcome your suggestions regarding how to get a better response for the team events planned for the JOs.

[teacup]

So, presumably, it could be a Division aggregate team? Of course all of the team members would need to be from the same division (even if NWU were a USFA club). Sigh!

Three NWU fencers are from the socal division but socal will have women epee teams, so they couldn't be a socal composite team.

[fdad]

Three NWU fencers are from the socal division but socal will have women epee teams, so they couldn't be a socal composite team.

Why not?

[flechewounds]

Three NWU fencers are from the socal division but socal will have women epee teams, so they couldn't be a socal composite team.

This is exactly why the club/division method is a problem. It is too dependent on factors that aren't really clear, and unless folks are in constant communication with others in their division (which often doesn't happen), it creates problems.

I go back to my original idea - that the team events should be selected by the fencers, not by accidents of geography. It will allow more to fence, and since they wouldn't be representing an "entity" - it may skirt NCAA issues.