The Bill is passed.....

[davesaint]

I'd suggest you start to plan now to have it reattached. You may be waking around a$$-less for a while if this thing passes.

Wow, there's a scary thought. I could wake up one mornig and be a$$less. Sweet. Maybe I can talk to the non-existent death panels about restoring my rear end so that I can notice it when I am Walking. I am so glad you have absolutely no sense of humor. It is a public option. I stress the word OPTION. That means you don't have to get it. You can go out and get health insurance through your job, or buy insurance through a health insurance broker if you wish.

Dave

[Slim]

Wow, there's a scary thought. I could wake up one mornig and be a$$less. Sweet. Maybe I can talk to the non-existent death panels about restoring my rear end so that I can notice it when I am Walking. I am so glad you have absolutely no sense of humor. It is a public option. I stress the word OPTION. That means you don't have to get it. You can go out and get health insurance through your job, or buy insurance through a health insurance broker if you wish.

Dave

Right. Option. Until the private insurers determine that they cant compete with the taxpayer subsidized product, and get out of the business. Eliminating the OPTION.

Then it's no longer an OPTION. Its more welfare. And its part of the plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDAPL...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-6e...eature=related

Wake up.

[lindajdunn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

[jessicasimpson]

Wait a minute, I thought the guvvvment couldn't do anything right, now your scared they will so e-fishant that they will put the inshurance out o bidness?

[Slim]

Wait a minute, I thought the guvvvment couldn't do anything right, now your scared they will so e-fishant that they will put the inshurance out o bidness?

Are you really this stupid or are you just acting stupid?

[fencerchica]

Right. Option. Until the private insurers determine that they cant compete with the taxpayer subsidized product, and get out of the business. Eliminating the OPTION.

So according to opponents of healthcare reform, two mutually contradictory events are supposed to occur:

First, older and sicker Americans will tend to migrate to the public option, leaving the younger and healthier customers to private insurance. Hence, private insurance will make a killing off the slightly cheaper premiums paid by their healthy customers (whose lower consumption of healthcare makes cheaper, more competetive premiums possible), while the government picks up the tab for the more expensive customers who consume more healthcare. (This argument would actually be credible if a poor job of regulation was done... maybe something like the Republican proposal for healthcare reform wherein insurers can still reject customers on account of spurious pre-existing conditions.)

Second, private insurers will simultaneously quite uncharacteristically fail to find a way to squeeze a profit out of their remaining customer base, and meekly go out of business without a whimper. Right...

[jessicasimpson]

Are you really this stupid or are you just acting stupid?

That is ironic, I was was making fun of your dumb a$$

[jessicasimpson]

So according to opponents of healthcare reform, two mutually contradictory events are supposed to occur:

First, older and sicker Americans will tend to migrate to the public option, leaving the younger and healthier customers to private insurance. Hence, private insurance will make a killing off the slightly cheaper premiums paid by their healthy customers (whose lower consumption of healthcare makes cheaper, more competetive premiums possible), while the government picks up the tab for the more expensive customers who consume more healthcare. (This argument would actually be credible if a poor job of regulation was done... maybe something like the Republican proposal for healthcare reform wherein insurers can still reject customers on account of spurious pre-existing conditions.)

Second, private insurers will simultaneously quite uncharacteristically fail to find a way to squeeze a profit out of their remaining customer base, and meekly go out of business without a whimper. Right...

You forgot the death panels, fema camps, converting to Islamic socialism, and making all illegal aliens able to vote so Obama can be Dictator for life.

[jessicasimpson]

I guess if you think laughing at old people is funny.

We laugh at you allll the time. Just substitute "Stupid Liberals" for "damn kids"

[Bayou Bum]

.....now onto the Senate.

Yay for healthcare! Not too syked about taxing those who choose to opt out though. Amendment much?

Yes, it passed the House even though there was a bipartisan effort against it. Obama was right, he did get republicans and some democrats to agree on something, the healthcare bill is a bad idea. I don't understand the "pass anything and fix it later" mentality. And why does no one care that the bill violates the constitution by requiring every person to purchase insurance? Are you really willing to send people to jail for refusing to purchase health insurance?

[davesaint]

Yes, it passed the House even though there was a bipartisan effort against it. Obama was right, he did get republicans and some democrats to agree on something, the healthcare bill is a bad idea. I don't understand the "pass anything and fix it later" mentality. And why does no one care that the bill violates the constitution by requiring every person to purchase insurance? Are you really willing to send people to jail for refusing to purchase health insurance?

Ummm.....Which part of the Constitution does mandating health insurance violate? I mean you could maybe say the 10th amendment, but that is a pretty weak argument, as if you go as a strict Constitutional interpretation, anything that is not specifically delegated to the US by the Constitution would therefore be Unconstitutional. In this case we would throw out something like 90% of all of the federal laws.


Dave

[Bayou Bum]

Ummm.....Which part of the Constitution does mandating health insurance violate? I mean you could maybe say the 10th amendment, but that is a pretty weak argument, as if you go as a strict Constitutional interpretation, anything that is not specifically delegated to the US by the Constitution would therefore be Unconstitutional. In this case we would throw out something like 90% of all of the federal laws.


Dave

We should throw out about 90% of all federal laws. Where does it say in the Constitution that the federal government can require a person to purchase anything and jail them for failing to do so?

[davesaint]

We should throw out about 90% of all federal laws. Where does it say in the Constitution that the federal government can require a person to purchase anything and jail them for failing to do so?

Where does it say that they are going to Jail them for not getting health care? Is this some strange internet blog of insanity that you are reading?

Dave

[Bayou Bum]

Where does it say that they are going to Jail them for not getting health care? Is this some strange internet blog of insanity that you are reading?

Dave

It was covered by that right wing news source ABCNews. Under the house bill, you are required to purchase health insurance, failure to do so is enforced by the IRS which includes jail time.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...insurance.html

[davesaint]

We should throw out about 90% of all federal laws. Where does it say in the Constitution that the federal government can require a person to purchase anything and jail them for failing to do so?

Here's a couple of laws that would get eliminated under your opinion of the constitution. I am sure that they would offend your conservative sensibilities:

Ban on Gay Marriage
Ban on Illegal Drugs

There are others that I am sure you would be offended if they were repealed.


Dave

[jessicasimpson]

Here's a couple of laws that would get eliminated under your opinion of the constitution. I am sure that they would offend your conservative sensibilities:

Ban on Gay Marriage
Ban on Illegal Drugs

There are others that I am sure you would be offended if they were repealed.


Dave

I am pretty sure BB is a libertarian, so I don't think he would mind lifting either of those bans.

[Bayou Bum]

I am pretty sure BB is a libertarian, so I don't think he would mind lifting either of those bans.

You're right about that!

[jessicasimpson]

You're right about that!

Not trying to set a trap, but what is the libitarian stance on illegal immigration?

[Bayou Bum]

Not trying to set a trap, but what is the libitarian stance on illegal immigration?

Don't really know. I am for open immigration, but legal. My issue with illegal immigration is the key word ... illegal!

[jessicasimpson]

Don't really know. I am for open immigration, but legal. My issue with illegal immigration is the key word ... illegal!

Well I just read on the official stance on immigration on the libertarian home page and it does make alot more sense than amnisty or closing borders