Kansas City NAC B - Junior Cadet Y14

[Fiat Slug]

Originally Posted by IanSerotkin

Oh, and here's your flaming bagel story for the NAC:

It's mid-day yesterday, the last day of the tournament, and a bunch of Y14 sabre fencers were warming up on the finals strip. One of them gets pissed off because they lost. He is so incensed that he lost A PRACTICE BOUT, in fact, that he starts shouting and kicking equipment around. The owner of said equipment (another Y14 sabrist) runs over and, in retaliation, starts shouting at the first kid and then starts kicking him in the legs. Repeatedly.

As if that wasn't bad enough, they were both standing in plain sight of no less than 10 amused referees on a break, sitting five feet away.

Sounds like a perfectly teachable moment. Did any of the parents and/or coaches take advantage of this opportunity and teach the kids about sportsmanship?

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[IanSerotkin]

One last note: The fact that there was no repechage at this event was just truly, truly glorious.

[flechewounds]

Originally Posted by IanSerotkin

One last note: The fact that there was no repechage at this event was just truly, truly glorious.

I'm not sure that the fencers (or families) agree.

[fencerwallet]

Originally Posted by IanSerotkin

Never having been to Kansas City before, I have to say I was expecting a pretty bad city experience with this NAC. I was quite pleasantly surprised. The Power & Light district, just two blocks away from the hotel, had a bunch of (non-chain!) excellent restaurants and bars. No complaints with the hotel or venue, either.

Definitely hoping we return to Kansas City next year.

I concur (but hopefully not in a "snow" month).

[Nail Biter]

Is it me or do you also feel that we get ripped off at more expensive hotels for Wi Fi service? I mean, I've stayed at Holiday Inn Express for less with FREE Wi Fi and Free breakfast. The Marriott was nice but $10/day for Wi Fi from Noon to Noon and $16 for breakfast buffet on weekends?

I had so much homework to do and I had to think about when Wi Fi was going to expire. I had to fence during the day too so having Wi Fi end at Noon was annoying.

[terrazoon]

Does anyone know when points from NAC B will be updated? Thanks.

[yearsofwisdom]

Dont worry nail biter... its all marriot hotels. i went to one in NY this past weekend and i had to pay 13 bucks for it

[teacup]

Originally Posted by terrazoon

Does anyone know when points from NAC B will be updated? Thanks.

No idea, but hopefully by Friday since some divisions are hosting JO qualifiers this weekend The lists will be needed to determine auto quals and eligibility for fencers born 1997 or later to fence in cadet qualifiers.

[AndrewH]

Originally Posted by Nail Biter

Is it me or do you also feel that we get ripped off at more expensive hotels for Wi Fi service? I mean, I've stayed at Holiday Inn Express for less with FREE Wi Fi and Free breakfast. The Marriott was nice but $10/day for Wi Fi from Noon to Noon and $16 for breakfast buffet on weekends?

I had so much homework to do and I had to think about when Wi Fi was going to expire. I had to fence during the day too so having Wi Fi end at Noon was annoying.

Is this news to you? High end hotels like Marriotts cater to business travelers whose wifi and breakfast is covered by their expense account. Holiday Inn, not so much.

FWIW I like Hampton Inn best. Their hotels are always clean and modern, free parking/wifi/breakfast, and the food is usually pretty good too.

[Phincer]

Originally Posted by yearsofwisdom

Dont worry nail biter... its all marriot hotels. i went to one in NY this past weekend and i had to pay 13 bucks for it

Nope. Was at the Marriott Residence Inn in Bethesda, MD this weekend. Free wifi. Free breakfast-underwhelming, but free.

[terrazoon]

I just spoke with someone at USFA and they said the points list probably won't be updated until Monday or Tuesday.

What if kids do have JO Qualifiers this weekend? Any other options to prove they're on "the current list"? (I'm hoping the list on the website cannot be considered current if it doesn't contain NAC B results). Thanks!

[oiuyt]

According to the National Office staff, the points lists will be updated by the end of tomorrow.

That includes clarification with the person to whom terrazoon spoke.

-B

[fdad]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

According to the National Office staff, the points lists will be updated by the end of tomorrow.

That includes clarification with the person to whom terrazoon spoke.

-B

I am so glad Hang-A-Star is making all of this easier - imagine how much worse things would be if USFA had gone with ASKFRED for this.

[Mr.MightyMouse]

Quick question to all the "Legal Eagles".

My first pool bout - score 0-0.
A well known ref - does not move an inch from my on guard line.
The opponent fleches, I hold an opposition, riposte - my 1 light.
Ref changes the score in opponents favour, when asked why - he says I went off the strip - to be honest - I don't think that I went off at all (perhaps after the light to straighten the blade) , but the ref never called "halt", as a matter of fact not even after the light - he was visibly bored and amused at the same time.
I thought about protesting the touch as a member of FOC was chillin' not too far away, but just moved on, and won the bout 5-3.
Was the touch called correctly?

[fdad]

Originally Posted by Mr.MightyMouse

Quick question to all the "Legal Eagles".

My first pool bout - score 0-0.
A well known ref - does not move an inch from my on guard line.
The opponent fleches, I hold an opposition, riposte - my 1 light.
Ref changes the score in opponents favour, when asked why - he says I went off the strip - to be honest - I don't think that I went off at all (perhaps after the light to straighten the blade) , but the ref never called "halt", as a matter of fact not even after the light - he was visibly bored and amused at the same time.
I thought about protesting the touch as a member of FOC was chillin' not too far away, but just moved on, and won the bout 5-3.
Was the touch called correctly?

Yes, from the information you've provided it's clear that not only did you go off strip, you did so to avoid the touch.

[KD5MDK]

That would be a yellow card, not a touch against. Mr. Mightymouse must have gone off the back of the strip.

[Fiat Slug]

Originally Posted by Mr.MightyMouse

Quick question to all the "Legal Eagles".

My first pool bout - score 0-0.
A well known ref - does not move an inch from my on guard line.
The opponent fleches, I hold an opposition, riposte - my 1 light.
Ref changes the score in opponents favour, when asked why - he says I went off the strip - to be honest - I don't think that I went off at all (perhaps after the light to straighten the blade) , but the ref never called "halt", as a matter of fact not even after the light - he was visibly bored and amused at the same time.
I thought about protesting the touch as a member of FOC was chillin' not too far away, but just moved on, and won the bout 5-3.
Was the touch called correctly?

If the ref determined that you crossed the lateral boundary to avoid a touch, then you'd get a yellow card for the first offence. If you already have a yellow card against you, then this would result in a red card and a penalty touch. If this was your first yellow card, then when the action is restarted, your opponent gains 1 meter and your position is an appropriate distance from him. If that places both of your feet behind the rear boundary, then your opponent would gain a point. Since you said that your opponent fleched, then the bout would be halted when he passed you. He would reset to a place where he passed you (or roughly where you were) and you would give sufficient ground to be at an appropriate distance.

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[Mr.MightyMouse]

Originally Posted by KD5MDK

That would be a yellow card, not a touch against. Mr. Mightymouse must have gone off the back of the strip.

Thanks for the answers - my fault - I did not have enough time to be detail oriented enough this afternoon.
Let me try again : the bout starts - the opponent is not "that" experienced and is determined to attack.
I keep retreating - not extremely fast - but normally I have a pretty good feel where the end of the strip is. The opponent fleches to my open outside wrist - I take a counter 6 opposition , riposte - my light - green - goes on. Ref never said: " halt" , nor did he move much from the center of the strip - we stopped because the light went on. After the light I took a few steps back, and straightened my blade, then walked to the "en garde" line - fully expecting 1-0 in my favour, when I saw that it was the other way around, I questioned the ref - he said that I was off the end of the strip when the touch was scored.
My only question is :
does not the Ref have to call "halt" immediately when the fencer goes off the end of the strip to end the action, (that has been my experience) and if he did not is my parry/riposte valid or not?
Thanks for your patience if you made it to the end of this post.

[1337]

just out of curiosity, does anyone know where i can find a complete bracket with scores? (tablo? or however its spelled)

thanks

[notalent]

Originally Posted by Mr.MightyMouse

Thanks for the answers - my fault - I did not have enough time to be detail oriented enough this afternoon.
Let me try again : the bout starts - the opponent is not "that" experienced and is determined to attack.
I keep retreating - not extremely fast - but normally I have a pretty good feel where the end of the strip is. The opponent fleches to my open outside wrist - I take a counter 6 opposition , riposte - my light - green - goes on. Ref never said: " halt" , nor did he move much from the center of the strip - we stopped because the light went on. After the light I took a few steps back, and straightened my blade, then walked to the "en garde" line - fully expecting 1-0 in my favour, when I saw that it was the other way around, I questioned the ref - he said that I was off the end of the strip when the touch was scored.
My only question is :
does not the Ref have to call "halt" immediately when the fencer goes off the end of the strip to end the action, (that has been my experience) and if he did not is my parry/riposte valid or not?
Thanks for your patience if you made it to the end of this post.

If you went off the back end of the strip with both feet you don't get a riposte. I had a similar action in JWS though the fencer had pulled distance. Should the ref have called halt as soon as you stepped off? Yes. Do refs sometimes make mistakes in the timing of halts? Yes.