93 World Final, Koch vs. Golubitsky

[epeeslasher]

Actually I've seen the 97 Final and I can't recall a single attack Golubitsky didn't flick on, including the repostes.

[Superscribe]

The first touch that he scores in 93 is a straight attack.

The man know's how to do them. He knows that they can be effective. He just chooses not to for whatever reason. He flicks a lot in his other bouts that i used to watch on fencingfootage.com.

I'm going to need you to show me where it's implied that he says he flicked too much in his younger years.

[Purple Fencer]

The number of flicks that fell short was rather amazing. I'm tempted to attribute that more to the fact that they're both top opponents for each other so nervousness and anxiety are more of a factor after a long day's competition rather than inept flicking technique.

However, I've got clips from 1997 onwards and the flicks there in the gold medal bouts are all pretty spot on. Very few flicks that missed short or long. Was this the first gold medal match for both? I can imagine the nervousness being a huge factor in causing their mistakes.

Do you have 97 Golubitsky/Kim, by any chance??

[edew]

Actually I've seen the 97 Final and I can't recall a single attack Golubitsky didn't flick on, including the repostes.

I believe his last touch is a simple riposte from a sixte parry.

[Purple Fencer]

I believe his last touch is a simple riposte from a sixte parry.

In 97? Close...riposte from a parry 4 (and the mask goes flying off his head in celebration before Kim even lands his continuation!)

[edew]

The clip I have of the 97 WC is not complete. It starts at 11-3 in Golubitsky's favor. So I don't know whether he hit 11 flicks or 9. But the last touch is definitely not a flick. And for the most part, it was Kim coming back.

Nevertheless, his demeanor in the 97 showed that he's a more seasoned competitor compared to what I see in this 93 clip. Here, he looks not as ready for the big time as he was in the 1997 clip.

[NGV]

. The video shows clearly that straight attacks and displacing counter-attacks definitely had their place even before the new timings came about.

In fact, my guess is that the flick promoted counterattacking, as parrying a marching flick attack isn't easy, taking the opponent's blade while it's pointed back over their shoulder isn't really possible, and trying for an attack in the prep means relying on the uncertain goodwill of the director. Unless you establish the marching attack before your opponent does, that pretty much leaves you with the counterattack.

In contrast with current tendencies, the counterattacker would probably be more likely to suddenly close distance in order to make the flick land flat, rather than ducking or twisting.

[Purple Fencer]

The clip I have of the 97 WC is not complete. It starts at 11-3 in Golubitsky's favor.

Given how the overall bout went up to that point...the clip you have is the best part! Post it, pleeeze?

That's always been my prime inspirational bout...because Kim was fencing for pride at that point...and damn near pulled it off!

[whtouche]

On the other hand, you can show tennis from 30 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago and it's still the same. Golf, same. Cycling, same. Football, same. Baseball, god yes, the exact same thing (although the batters are now beefier with steroid goodness), soccer, track swimming...

Um dude?
That is one of the less true things you could have said about sports. If you don't know anything about something (in this case you and any sport other than fencing) then you should not make authoritative proclamations on such subjects. It's not even worth it to list all the ways even one of those sports has changed just in the last 10 or 20 years.

Fail.

[edew]

Given how the overall bout went up to that point...the clip you have is the best part! Post it, pleeeze?

That's always been my prime inspirational bout...because Kim was fencing for pride at that point...and damn near pulled it off!

I have it on VHS. Don't have a way to convert to DVD, although I guess I can go to some business to do the conversion. If I have time, I'll give that a try.

[edew]

Um dude?
That is one of the less true things you could have said about sports. If you don't know anything about something (in this case you and any sport other than fencing) then you should not make authoritative proclamations on such subjects. It's not even worth it to list all the ways even one of those sports has changed just in the last 10 or 20 years.

Fail.

Feel free to point out examples where there has been radical changes to the listed sports. Are marathon runners running differently now than before? Arms held higher? Knees raised during the running?

Ok, I'm not doubting that many (if not all) the above listed sports have incorporated novel techniques for training. Cross-training, weight training for golf is certainly new. But the actual play, is it really that different?

[eac]

Which sports are currently listed? (Did football come off the list?)

[kalivor]

Soccer...eh. I admit I don't watch too much soccer. But really, are there some serious new tactics being used? I just don't see it. The scores are still 1-0, 2-1, so it's not as though some club devised a really cool tactic to score points.

Fencing ... the scores are still 15-14, 15-13. So it's not as though some coach devised a really new cool tactic to score points.

[Dev]

Feel free to point out examples where there has been radical changes to the listed sports. Are marathon runners running differently now than before? Arms held higher? Knees raised during the running?

Actually, tennis is the easiest example of a sport where the strategy and tactics change to suit external changes to the playing environment, much like the T2005 timings changes.

If you think that modern tennis is just blast away at 120 mph and hope you hit it by the guy, or that rallies aren't very long anymore, you obviously don't watch any tennis.

[Grasshopper]

In 97? Close...riposte from a parry 4 (and the mask goes flying off his head in celebration before Kim even lands his continuation!)

Nope, last point was a counter 6 parry riposte to the chest (but actually touches Kim's blade in the low line around 7).

First point in the match is a simple parry 4 riposte on Kim's fleche.

[Purple Fencer]

Nope, last point was a counter 6 parry riposte to the chest (but actually touches Kim's blade in the low line around 7)

Hmm...coulda sworn it was a 4...haven't seen it in awhile tho...STILL an awesome comeback by Kim.

First point in the match is a simple parry 4 riposte on Kim's fleche.

At about the 2 minute point in the 1st period!

[Black Knight]

can someone explain the scoring system in the video. It seems they are having three bouts but each lasts 6 minutes and in the first bout one had to get 6 points to win but there were still time left?

[KShan5[PrFC]]

can someone explain the scoring system in the video. It seems they are having three bouts but each lasts 6 minutes and in the first bout one had to get 6 points to win but there were still time left?

You fence 3, 3 minute periods. Once the three minutes is up there is a one minute break. It's all one bout to 15 broken up into thirds....think hockey.

[srawe]

Its best of 3 5 touch bouts.
and they went to 6 in the first bout because you have to win by 2 when its 4-4

[Grasshopper]

looking back that was the stupidest and most untelegenic thing FIE has ever done. Your opponent could out score you and you could still win the bout.