Compilation Video: Marti's Suavemente Attacks

[CyrusofChaos]

hey all, its time for another compilation video. this one features spanish fencer jaime marti and his smooth attack from the first zone. this will be the last compilation video for a few weeks at least, with tests and stuff it is hard to spend that much time on a specific thing like this

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtGpdEKMIas[/YOUTUBE]

any feedback on this video, barring criticism of the language and terminology, is very helpful for any future videos that i will do, the more the better

while everything is cooling down i will still have time to add annotations and/or statistics to videos so let me know what videos you would like to see annotated/statisticked and i will do my best to get to them

[Inquartata]

In the clips where no IDs are clearly visible on either video captions, signage or lames, is there a way to label who is who? Often I cannot immediately tell when a clip starts which fencer I am supposed to be watching. So I have to go back and re-run the segment once I know whether the featured guy is on the left or right...

[CyrusofChaos]

In the clips where no IDs are clearly visible on either video captions, signage or lames, is there a way to label who is who? Often I cannot immediately tell when a clip starts which fencer I am supposed to be watching. So I have to go back and re-run the segment once I know whether the featured guy is on the left or right...

in this video marti is on the left in every example except with apithy from vegas and yagodka (little strawberry) from luxardo in italy. most of these have labels but i guess i should label them better. its just that after watching all of the footage that i need to make the videos over and over again it is pretty obvious to me who is who and i dont even think that everyone else hasnt been doing that. thanks for pointing that out

[Foil.Leicester]

As always, entertaining and very interesting.

Perhaps one comment I would have is that for a video of this type, by that I mean showing an attack that relies on conditioning the opponent with previous actions and then fooling them, it could be important to show two touches in a row without break. I.e. the touch before the Suavemente attack and the touch itself. That way people can get an idea of how Marti sets this kind of touch up. Could also be interesting to do the touch after, to show what he does after the Suavemente attack to keep pressure on and keep people guessing even more.

Edit:
Essentially more stuff like the bit at around the 2:00 mark

[CyrusofChaos]

As always, entertaining and very interesting.

Perhaps one comment I would have is that for a video of this type, by that I mean showing an attack that relies on conditioning the opponent with previous actions and then fooling them, it could be important to show two touches in a row without break. I.e. the touch before the Suavemente attack and the touch itself. That way people can get an idea of how Marti sets this kind of touch up. Could also be interesting to do the touch after, to show what he does after the Suavemente attack to keep pressure on and keep people guessing even more.

Edit:
Essentially more stuff like the bit at around the 2:00 mark

i will keep that in mind for future videos. especially when they are as short as this one. sorry for that oversight

[springdon]

I enjoyed this one, especially as I have always liked Marti.

Thanks for taking the time to do these, I know this will be it for a while, but please hurry back!

[CyrusofChaos]

I enjoyed this one, especially as I have always liked Marti.

Thanks for taking the time to do these, I know this will be it for a while, but please hurry back!

actually i am just waiting for hotspot and demographics data for this video before doing the next one. it is taking an especially long time to get the information that i want because less people are watching them these days for whatever reason. i think that once i get enough views to get the data i want i will make the next video which will probably be on the attacks of keeth smart, especially his flunges. let me know what you guys think of that one and submit your other ideas for future videos

[Jason]

yagodka (little strawberry)

Nope. Little blueberry.

[epeeslasher]

I think I liked what you did with the Pillet video, showing his strong actions and set-up and then showing the type of actions and set-ups that defeat it. Please do that more often.

[whtouche]

the next video which will probably be on the attacks of keeth smart, especially his flunges.

I like this.
So much so that I suggested it several videos back

[CyrusofChaos]

Nope. Little blueberry.

im almost positive it is little strawberry in bulgarian considering vassil laughed then explained when he saw the name

I think I liked what you did with the Pillet video, showing his strong actions and set-up and then showing the type of actions and set-ups that defeat it. Please do that more often.

noted, i should have done something along those lines with marti, i will do it in the future

I like this.
So much so that I suggested it several videos back

like 5 people asked me to do it, one by email, three on f.net, and someone on youtube too. since it is such a popular subject i can no longer resist

guys i want more ideas for sabre compilation videos. otherwise i will have to defer to all the foilists who are asking me for an analysis of kleibrinks attack and i would rather do stuff for you guys

[springdon]

Thanks so much for staying open to suggestions -- I have one. You have done ones on attacks (Montano, Lapkes and Lontay) and Counterattacks (Lopez and Buikevich) and even Distance Breaks (Dumi) -- but what about Parries? It is the big defensive game left unaddressed in its own feature.

On one of the commentary tracks on a woman's saber bout in the most recent fencing pictures "Best of Saber" discs (I think with jason rogers) talking about how parries played a huge role in Polish fencing. They talked about some Polish men's fencers who were "parrying madmen." I am not sure that is more true for Polish (or Polish-trained fencers), but it would be interesting to look when and how people use parries. Are there people renowned for their parries? How do they do it with the new timings?

And, there is always the possibility of using women's bouts to show something that might be useful for "regular fencers" even if it is less prominent in the men's world-cup-level game (parries might fall in this category?)

[Jason]

im almost positive it is little strawberry in bulgarian considering vassil laughed then explained when he saw the name

Trust me. Little blueberry.

[Relampago]

Cyrus is correct, it's strawberry.

I don't know why you'd persist in this, considering Vassil Etropolski is a native speaker of Bulgarian, and it's an easy fact to look up:

http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%...BE%D0%B4%D0%B0

http://online.ectaco.co.uk/main.jsp?...rce=strawberry

(speakers of Slavic languages on this forum can confirm this)

"blueberry" in Bulgarian is 'bovorinka'

http://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%...BD%D0%BA%D0%B0

With that out of the way, I want to thank CyrusofChaos for making these videos, especially because one of the ones I suggested (Buikevich) was produced. I think further interesting analysis could be done not just on certain actions, but over such topics as: where on the strip do certain fencers score most of their touches, what action are they scoring with at a high percentage, what is happening during major upsets (e.g. when someone who isn't seeded high beats someone who is.) Really anything is appreciated - there's a lot more in sabre to explore.

[Jason]

(speakers of Slavic languages on this forum can confirm this)

Strange. I am a speaker of a Slavic language.
My own google search told me that I was right, but since my Slavic language isn't Bulgarian (and no one should really trust Google), I'm happy to not really care.

Of course, it might be worth remembering that Yagodka is not, in fact, a Bulgarian, and in some Slavic languages the word "yagodka" means "little berry" and is often used in reference to blueberries.

[sisi]

How about doing women's sabre? Like a video on Kharlan overall actions, since they are very consistent (level 1 fake, takeover, parry riposte setup after a fake etc). She also seems to have a lot of footage available dated back from 2007+.

[rcmatthews]

guys i want more ideas for sabre compilation videos. otherwise i will have to defer to all the foilists who are asking me for an analysis of kleibrinks attack and i would rather do stuff for you guys

please please please don't do that. your videos are great. maybe something to do with a series of points would be good, ie action a scores, which sets up action b, etc ad nauseam. i would personally like something with nemscik, and also something on defeating the long holding attacks that are so common now. i think you touched on this in an earlier video.

[Inquartata]

How about doing women's sabre? Like a video on Kharlan overall actions, since they are very consistent (level 1 fake, takeover, parry riposte setup after a fake etc). She also seems to have a lot of footage available dated back from 2007+.

That would be great, but I think Andrew said something about not having much WS footage, and he's limited to the video he has.

I am still hoping for something on Yakimeno, whom I assume will return to fencing after he heals up.

[CyrusofChaos]

to all four of you:

i do not like parries and try not to use them. i feel that they are an excuse for poor timing and poor distance: when your opponent has beaten your timing and distance you have to resort to taking a parry. and if you have lost on both of those things you dont really deserve the touch in my opinion

no womens sabre: with very few exceptions i only use the footage that i have of people from world cups on my channel. i do not have enough womens sabre to make compilation videos of them

doing something on strings of actions might be interesting but i would need to pick a specific fencer and break down their game specifically. i dont think i have enough footage of any specific touches to do something like that. if you want i can compile low level combination touches (a touch and the first level fake that follows) or something like that from a bunch of different touches and explain how they group together

i am considering doing something on yakimenkos rocket attack

other ideas are strange preparations in the box: standing still, taking a step back, line to start, steps back in the beginning, etc. another idea is ways to pretend that you did not fall short: doing a ballestra, going to parry five, etc

thoughts? anymore tips on the marti video?

[RebelwithoutaCause]

to all four of you:

i do not like parries and try not to use them. i feel that they are an excuse for poor timing and poor distance: when your opponent has beaten your timing and distance you have to resort to taking a parry. and if you have lost on both of those things you dont really deserve the touch in my opinion

Wow...parries deemed a poor excuse? I think you found a statement capable of offending just about any Coach out there.

Parries Cyrus are not a "panic button" to be pressed. They are an integral part of fencing. There are few things more beautiful in saber than a clean parry riposte ESPECIALLY when by design (ie planned out ahead of time by the defender). If you cannot appreciate that in my opinion you shouldn't be making videos analyzing top fencers.

I have watched a lot of your videos and agreed with most of what you say but here you've lost a lot of my respect and I find it doubtful that I will be watching any more of them.



Good Day.