HPD (Michael Pederson) Resigns

[evaluna]

I... I... what was the point I meant to get across? Because I thought I knew, but after reading this bit, I'm not sure anymore...

See, what I thought I meant was that I felt as if what I ought to be doing was bluntly insulting you based on how other popular current and former forum members would have acted. I tried it. It didn't feel as fulfilling as I expected it to. I decided to leave that tone to, for example, one of my ex-boyfriends and current friends, Telk. ... Who then did call you a moron, and probably found it somewhat more fulfilling than I did.

Quite honestly it amazes me when anyone takes a tact using name calling instead of discussion because it doesn't really make a point. If it didn't feel fulfilling to you, it's probably because it rarely is.

However, if you feel (or anyone else) feels calling a person a moron advances their position somehow.... go for it! Since you did not specify " I leave that to my ex-boyfriends", I assumed "I leave it to ex-boyfriends" was referring to mine, a misunderstanding that could have been avoided with the simple addition of an article.

The way you're talking, it seems like what you thought was I'm waiting for your ex-boyfriends to beat you up or something like that. I think it's pretty ****ed up that you automatically assume that people on the internet are threatening you through your ex-boyfriends

This is coming from you MP. Is that what you presume ex-boyfriends do? Beat their ex-girlfriends up?

You might want to see someone about that. Sounds pretty paranoid. Just saying.

Once again I think you may be projecting.

Are you referring to yourself when you say "the poster"?

I was referring to you.

[QUOTE=MyrddinsPrecint;836407]
"It rarely comes from women..." ... What is "it"? [QUOTE]

Allowing a discussion to deteriorate from dialogue to a nasty remark disguised as a "joke", while not really addressing the issue at hand.

It's also very problematic to make sweeping judgments of specific communities (like people posting on fencing.net) by your experiences of other specific communities (doctors). The online world and the face-to-face world are very different, for one. Fencing.net is pretty unusual, for another. Also there's the problem where sweeping judgments are often inaccurate and usually unpopular even if somehow accurate.

There are similarities in that both these communities are over-represented by one gender when compared to the general population (approx 52% female vs 48% male). Also, I don't think fencing.net is that unusual. Like many other forums it's a site for information where a large percentage of the posts come from a small percentage of the total population.... and like many other online sites people indulge in behavior and say things that they would never do so in person. That's actually quite typical behavior online.

I'm also not entirely sure who you think is "territorial" or "threatened". I know you must think you're a big bad intruder or something, but, seriously?

Actually I don't see myself as an intruder. I see myself as an ordinary fencer, which is why my original post was made from that perspective, a fact that I made clear from the beginning.

Usually, in my experience, when an opinion elicits this kind of response, it's usually been because a button of some sort has been pushed, causing a reaction that's out of kind for the situation.

I'm gonna tell you again-- I'm finding this really funny. Less funny now that I'm having to explain that to you-- Explaining makes a joke less funny-- but I think it'll take a while for the funny to wear off, so we can keep going for a while.

In order for a joke to work it has to seem funny to the person you are telling it to... and yes you are right.... when you have to explain it, it's no longer amusing for the teller.... maybe because it wasn't really funny? However, if you are that short on amusement .... I'm glad I was able to oblige.

It's nice to know I'm providing a service.

[evaluna]

I thought that was one of the perks of being a doctor. It's written into the health care reform bill that docs can still act all high and mighty. Or so I was told.

It's dentists, lawyers, and insurance executives. Doctors have been powerless for years.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

PS FatFencer: It's totally possible for someone to be attracted to guys AND girls. In real life! I know, craaazy, isn't it?

...stuff...

Hi. To borrow from Peach's sig- I'm not anonymous, you just haven't met me. My name is Ashley, and I'm female. Just the fact that my name is "Ashley" and I'm female AND in the US should be a powerful clue that I'm not in my 50s. But in case you haven't already gathered, I'm 23, and a recent graduate of SMITH COLLEGE. I am regularly accused of being a feminazi, radical feminist, and the like. I have never before in my life been accused of being a misogynist (it's nice to have new experiences though, I suppose). It's also never been suggested that I'm in my 40s or 50s, although I do apparently come off as somewhat older than 23 to coworkers and the like.

I tried to help you out. By even the most paranoid of delusions, I was quite nice/helpful in my first post directed at you. You decided to take offense. You have continued to decide to be offended by my posts, no matter their content or tone. You want real offense, check out the "politics" forum. There's more than enough to be actually offended by there.

This is the internet. Typos, things that are unintentionally unclear, and general miscommunication are par for the course. But when I'm unintentionally unclear, you continue to take offense where none was meant. You admit my fault was in accidentally omitting an article. That's not exactly a mortal sin. It's barely a venial sin. And whatever kind of sin it is, you're guilty of imprecision on the internet as well. I just don't assume malicious intent without at least a little evidence. Like, for example, more than one post.

I do not know how to communicate with someone who seems to refuse to see that the only thing I did that was particularly offensive was suggest that I thought you were a "bloody moron". I'll take credit/criticism for that one. But I don't consider that a "nasty remark". I think it's roughly on par with calling me a misogynist with no evidence at all in that direction except something that you had misinterpreted and twisted into something bizarre. The difference is that I can provide evidence that your "misogynist" claim is probably not true, where as you have yet to convince me on the "moron" comment due to your total inability to admit that you're enjoying digging yourself further into a hole.

I still don't understand who you think is "territorial" or "threatened". But now I ALSO don't understand what kind of "button" you think has been pushed, or who has pushed it.

But here's one thing I will address, and I will address very clearly, not because it is an implied attack on me(couldn't care less), but because it is an implied attack on a friend:

This is coming from you MP. Is that what you presume ex-boyfriends do? Beat their ex-girlfriends up?

I do not presume ex-boyfriends beat people up. I did not presume your ex-boyfriends might beat people up, as cleverly as you intentionally snipped my quotation to make it look like I said something almost like that.

Here's the bit you quoted:

The way you're talking, it seems like what you thought was I'm waiting for your ex-boyfriends to beat you up or something like that. I think it's pretty ****ed up that you automatically assume that people on the internet are threatening you through your ex-boyfriends

Here's what I actually said:

The way you're talking, it seems like what you thought was I'm waiting for your ex-boyfriends to beat you up or something like that. I... don't know them, so I don't know if that's something they might do. And I'm also not really sure that that's what you're suggested that you thought I was suggesting-- but if I'm right, I think it's pretty ****ed up that you automatically assume that people on the internet are threatening you through your ex-boyfriends.

Complain, whinge, and attack me all you want. I don't care. And go ahead, directly attack my friends for things they've actually done and said-- that's fair game. But do NOT imply that I'm projecting onto you the made-up-fact that I've had ex-boyfriends beat me up out of a quote you intentionally twisted to make yourself look less dumb and irrational. Telk deserves many things, but that is NOT one of them.

Shame on you.

[Grasshopper]

So are you saying telk does or does not deserve a beating? Cuz I think he does.

[epeemike81]

In order for a joke to work it has to seem funny to the person you are telling it to... and yes you are right.... when you have to explain it, it's no longer amusing for the teller.... maybe because it wasn't really funny? However, if you are that short on amusement .... I'm glad I was able to oblige.

It's nice to know I'm providing a service.

You aren't "the person [she's] telling it to," you're the joke. We (the uninvolved bystanders simply reading the thread) are the people to whom it's being told.

And speaking as one of the people just watching this with amusement, it is pretty funny and no explanation was required for us.

-m

[Craig]

We're done here.

Craig