Cadet Women's Foil World Cup - Tauberbischofsheim - Oct 2009

[flechewounds]

Folks -

At the end of day 1 of the Cadet World Cup (WF) in Tauberbischofsheim, the US has four women who have made the top 32 and have moved on to the second day: Lee Kiefer, Sharon Gao, Madison Zeiss and Niki McKee. Wish them luck on Sunday (32 to final with reperchage).

Here are the results: http://217.91.122.42/akturn/

Gary.

[gladius]

Folks -

At the end of day 1 of the Cadet World Cup (WF) in Tauberbischofsheim, the US has four women who have made the top 32 and have moved on to the second day: Lee Kiefer, Sharon Gao, Madison Zeiss and Niki McKee. Wish them luck on Sunday (32 to final with reperchage).

Here are the results: http://217.91.122.42/akturn/

Gary.

This is good news and best of luck tomorrow.

A correction though is necessary as not to lure uninformed and loving parents to take a second mortgage on their home because they want to send their cadet fencers kids to World Cup tournaments.

This is not a World Cup Tournament cadet or otherwise. It is one of the 7 WF tournament in the European Cadet Circuit (#3 of the season). http://www.eurofencing.info/EfcEng/defaultE.htm

This is also a qualification tournament for German WF fencers http://www.fechten.org/fechten/kalen...enflorett.html for the European Cadet World Championship in Athens, March 1-7, 2010, and for the Cadet World Championship in Baku, in April 2010.

This particular event is called:

Cup of the Tauberfranken Savings Bank
28th International Cadet Women's Foil Qualification Tournament
Tauberbischofsheim, October 24-25, 2009

Not all European fencing federations participate in these CC tournaments or designate any of them as qualifying for European or world cadet Championships. Italy does not send officially any fencer to these tournaments but Italian fencers are free to go and register on their own assuming any and all cost and responsibilities (if there are more than 4 fencers the fencers going are responsible to bring along a referee or pay the fine).

Italian Cadet WF fencers competed today in Foggia at their first national event for WF cadet of the season. http://www.federscherma.it/file/35080.pdf

The only cup this weekend in Tauber is offered by the local Savings Bank, prestigious no doubt, but not a world cup.

Best of luck to all US fencers and bring home the Cup (from the Sparkasse)!

[flechewounds]

This is good news and best of luck tomorrow.

A correction though is necessary as not to lure uninformed and loving parents to take a second mortgage on their home because they want to send their cadet fencers kids to World Cup tournaments.

This is not a World Cup Tournament cadet or otherwise. It is one of the 7 WF tournament in the European Cadet Circuit (#3 of the season). http://www.eurofencing.info/EfcEng/defaultE.htm

Technically correct, but it's what we call 'em... since there really aren't cadet "world cups" otherwise...

[mgriffin]

Technically correct, but it's what we call 'em... since there really aren't cadet "world cups" otherwise...

Nope, gladius is correct. What we call 'em is "designated international cadet events". There are no cadet world cups, period.
World Cups are run by the FIE, designated cadet events are run by the fencing federation of the country in which they occur. That alone makes for a huge difference, never mind that the intention of World Cups is to draw fencers from all over the world and, until recently, many of the cadet events were closed to foreign fencers.
I second gladius' sentiments - Go USA!

[Capt. Slo-mo]

A good day for the USA WF cadets. Congrats to Ms Kiefer for a dominating day and the win! Also a rousing round of applause to Ms Zeiss and Ms McKee for making the top 8 as well.

[fnzizxpnzve]

1. Kiefer, Lee
6. Zeiss, Madison
8. McKee, Nicole
29. Gao, Sharon
33. Lu, Margaret
41. Yamin, Jennifer
42. Van Son, Elizabeth
60. Klyce, Eliza
61. Gomez, Marissa
66. Followill, Sarah
70. Shaito, Mona
74. Lee, Samantha
80. Tsue, Ashley
106. Gladnick, Kane
131. Lee, Audrey

Coach-Iris Zimmermann

[flechewounds]

Nope, gladius is correct. What we call 'em is "designated international cadet events". There are no cadet world cups, period.
World Cups are run by the FIE, designated cadet events are run by the fencing federation of the country in which they occur. That alone makes for a huge difference, never mind that the intention of World Cups is to draw fencers from all over the world and, until recently, many of the cadet events were closed to foreign fencers.
I second gladius' sentiments - Go USA!

Me thinks that we foil fencers are less persnickety about stuff like strip boundaries, weapons, names of our competitions, etc... of course, there is always right of way

[teacup]

Winner gets 910 Group II points.

[seven6ty]

Wow, that's so cool that Iris gets to be their coach too!

[downunder]

Leah King from the club I'm assistant coach at makes a L16. Top effort for a 1995 birthday!

[flechewounds]

Leah King from the club I'm assistant coach at makes a L16. Top effort for a 1995 birthday!

Leah looked really tough out there - great job!

[Grasshopper]

Nope, gladius is correct. What we call 'em is "designated international cadet events". There are no cadet world cups, period.

Everytime you call them a "designated international cadet events" I'm calling them a Cadet World Cup twice.

Cadet World Cup GO USA!
Cadet World Cup GO USA!

[yamyam]

1. Kiefer, Lee
6. Zeiss, Madison
8. McKee, Nicole
29. Gao, Sharon
33. Lu, Margaret
41. Van Son, Elizabeth
60. Klyce, Eliza
61. Gomez, Marissa
66. Followill, Sarah
70. Shaito, Mona
74. Lee, Samantha
80. Tsue, Ashley
106. Gladnick, Kane
131. Lee, Audrey

Coach-Iris Zimmermann

Correction;
41. Yamin, Jennifer
42. Van son, Elizabeth

[nahouw]

Everytime you call them a "designated international cadet events" I'm calling them a Cadet World Cup twice.

Cadet World Cup GO USA!
Cadet World Cup GO USA!

Can you point me in the direction of the FIE Cadet World Rankings then?

[downunder]

They're not even designed for national teams - they're fundamentally a club competition.

Only a few countries enter as 'national teams'.

[teacup]

Or as I mentioned in this thread:
New National Calendar for Non-Vet Fencers

Instead of cadet designated events maybe these events should be called,
"Local European cadet events where the USFA awards more points than US domestic national events."

[flechewounds]

Or as I mentioned in this thread:
New National Calendar for Non-Vet Fencers

Instead of cadet designated events maybe these events should be called,
"Local European cadet events where the USFA awards more points than US domestic national events."

Or we can simply call them what we call them (and will continue to call them anecdotally) - Cadet World Cups.

that way, the kids walk away feeling like they fenced internationally in a world cup to their school friends and, more importantly, school administrators.

[nahouw]

Or as I mentioned in this thread:
New National Calendar for Non-Vet Fencers

Instead of cadet designated events maybe these events should be called,
"Local European cadet events where the USFA awards more points than US domestic national events."

hmm... maybe some of the European organizers will start to realize this and then charge more for foreign entries.... could be a good money-maker for them...

[nahouw]

Or we can simply call them what we call them (and will continue to call them anecdotally) - Cadet World Cups.

that way, the kids walk away feeling like they fenced internationally in a world cup to their school friends and, more importantly, school administrators.

hmm.. never thought about why people choose to call them Cadet World Cups when they are not -- now I see -- to help appease the school administrators.

[flechewounds]

hmm.. never thought about why people choose to call them Cadet World Cups when they are not -- now I see -- to help appease the school administrators.

Not exactly, but it does help in explaining the absences...

Really, it is about the only thing we can call them. And why not? It's not like we're abusing a trademark...