Men's Sabre Team NAC D

[pillow]

In an attempt to get some data, how many out there are planning to fence the MS team event at NAC D? This event is the last day, and would require staying 5 nights, if you are also fencing Div I and Juniors.

[Inquartata]

I probably will. And since it's a team event, that means that two others from my neck of the woods probably will.

We also plan to do the Vet team events at Nationals. Definitely.

[teacup]

I probably will. And since it's a team event, that means that two others from my neck of the woods probably will.

We also plan to do the Vet team events at Nationals. Definitely.

You can do both a junior and vet team event?

[Inquartata]

Sorry, is NAC D a Junior team event? If so then no, obviously I won't be doing it...

[pillow]

214 views with only 3 responses. Did I ask the wrong question?

[lewis]

214 views with only 3 responses. Did I ask the wrong question?

Its the right question, there are just no answers. College kids can't fence it and hs kids have to organize with parentals, club mates, club and school and assumes they are paying attention to the NAC schedule when it is likely that many of them have a parent doing all of it. Alos staying an extra day for this is not the same as at SN where the team events usually filled in the gaps between the points events and the DIVs for those hs kids doing 5-6 events....

[pillow]

Its the right question, there are just no answers. College kids can't fence it and hs kids have to organize with parentals, club mates, club and school and assumes they are paying attention to the NAC schedule when it is likely that many of them have a parent doing all of it. Alos staying an extra day for this is not the same as at SN where the team events usually filled in the gaps between the points events and the DIVs for those hs kids doing 5-6 events....

I agree. So tell me again what the point of these team events are, especially the way they are scheduled...?

[Coldfire]

I might do it if it didn't require staying 5 nights, but it isn't worth it due to added expense, missed school, not to mention a possibly week event.

[whtouche]

not to mention a possibly week event.

I don't think it'll take that long..

[Coldfire]

I don't think it'll take that long..

A possibly weak event.

[dberke]

I agree. So tell me again what the point of these team events are, especially the way they are scheduled...?

There are plenty of reasons for the team events, most of which have already been stated in other threads (buried among the hysteria):

1. Currently there is only one team event, at SN. This provides more opportunity to fence the team format.
2. More team events give more fencers access to this format, whether for training or recreational purposes.
3. Team events in the afternoons monetize otherwise idle fixed-cost resources - strips, referees, armorers, etc. They are pretty much 100% profit for the USFA, which helps with the financial situation.

Can you think of any reasons why these events are a bad idea? Not liking how they have been scheduled is not a valid reason for not liking the concept of adding the team events. Nor are gripes about possible changes to the 2010 and beyond NAC schedule, as those changes are irrelevant to this discussion.

Dan

[pillow]

There are plenty of reasons for the team events, most of which have already been stated in other threads (buried among the hysteria):

1. Currently there is only one team event, at SN. This provides more opportunity to fence the team format.
2. More team events give more fencers access to this format, whether for training or recreational purposes.
3. Team events in the afternoons monetize otherwise idle fixed-cost resources - strips, referees, armorers, etc. They are pretty much 100% profit for the USFA, which helps with the financial situation.

Can you think of any reasons why these events are a bad idea? Not liking how they have been scheduled is not a valid reason for not liking the concept of adding the team events. Nor are gripes about possible changes to the 2010 and beyond NAC schedule, as those changes are irrelevant to this discussion.

Dan

Team events are fine. I have no problem at all with the concept. The schedule is a problem. If most fencers sit out the team events between the Div I and Juniors because they would like to rest for the points events, then the schedule did not work. If the number of teams for the MS is low as it requires an extra day, then the schedule did not work. I am sure we are all interested in how things will turn out.

As far as complaints about the proposed schedule, perhaps they are not relevant to a discussion with you, which is ok with me.

[Wetmelon]

Does anyone happen to know a handy link to the NAC schedule?

[hello?]

(buried among the hysteria)

"Hysteria" comes in many forms. I consider this (your post) one of them. Please.

[oiuyt]

Does anyone happen to know a handy link to the NAC schedule?

I've heard it's available on the US Fencing website.

http://www.usfencing.org/pages/3793

NAC D 2010

-B

[teacup]

There are plenty of reasons for the team events, most of which have already been stated in other threads (buried among the hysteria):

1. Currently there is only one team event, at SN. This provides more opportunity to fence the team format.
2. More team events give more fencers access to this format, whether for training or recreational purposes.
3. Team events in the afternoons monetize otherwise idle fixed-cost resources - strips, referees, armorers, etc. They are pretty much 100% profit for the USFA, which helps with the financial situation....
Dan

Since most of the top juniors can't fence because of NCAA regulations, this isn't helping to prepare fencers for junior world team events. Therefore if the main reasons to have team events are to create more fencing opportunities, increase revenue and utilize unused strips, to optimize these goals, why not allow anybody that wants to form a team to do so?

[Wetmelon]

I've heard it's available on the US Fencing website.

http://www.usfencing.org/pages/3793

NAC D 2010

-B

There's a US Fencing website?

O.o

*looks at schedule*

Well, the only ones I qualify for are over 1000 miles away... doesn't look like I'll be seeing anyone this year xD

[dberke]

"Hysteria" comes in many forms. I consider this (your post) one of them. Please.

Your response is hysterically ironic.

Dan

[dberke]

Since most of the top juniors can't fence because of NCAA regulations, this isn't helping to prepare fencers for junior world team events.

Has that been confirmed? Last I heard, this has not been confirmed with the NCAA, so I think you may be jumping to conclusions.

And, even if it turns out to be the case, not every junior fencer is attending a NCAA school. Sure, it's unfortunate for those in NCAA, but it's a non-issue for everyone else.

Therefore if the main reasons to have team events are to create more fencing opportunities, increase revenue and utilize unused strips, to optimize these goals, why not allow anybody that wants to form a team to do so?

This is a valid question. I do not know the answer, but I'm going to look into this.

Dan

[prototoast]

Has that been confirmed? Last I heard, this has not been confirmed with the NCAA, so I think you may be jumping to conclusions.

And, even if it turns out to be the case, not every junior fencer is attending a NCAA school. Sure, it's unfortunate for those in NCAA, but it's a non-issue for everyone else.



This is a valid question. I do not know the answer, but I'm going to look into this.

Dan

It's the same issue as when Div I nationals are held in April (during the school year). NCAA fencers may not represent any team but their school's during the school year (national team exceptions are made, but this isn't that). I believe if three fencers from an NCAA wanted to represent their school, they would be allowed to (some restrictions apply), but none could fence as part of a club team.