As I've continued to say, the administration no more than a bunch of bush league amateurs. They probably just increased Fox's ratings. This should be good.
I guess Fox isn't news, but NBC, MSNBC and CNN all are? Hahaha. Thin skinned liberals with their panties all twisted again.
Watch out for that vast right wing conspiracy. Gonna getcha.
Speaking of "bush league", GWB attacked the New York Times as partisan too. It seems that presidential complaints about unfair coverage is perennial.
What makes the Fox incident stand out is how brazen they are with their shows. Tune in almost any time (unless they're tracking Balloon Boy), and you'll have talking heads sharing hard hitting analysis - "Doesn't Obama suck?" "Why yes you're right, he does". Or Glen Beck saying that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people, and holding 2-hour program events to promote teabag parties. Or Hannity "interviewing" Coulter.
Is it a conspiracy if it's not a secret?
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Speaking of "bush league", GWB attacked the New York Times as partisan too. It seems that presidential complaints about unfair coverage is perennial.
What makes the Fox incident stand out is how brazen they are with their shows. Tune in almost any time (unless they're tracking Balloon Boy), and you'll have talking heads sharing hard hitting analysis - "Doesn't Obama suck?" "Why yes you're right, he does". Or Glen Beck saying that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people, and holding 2-hour program events to promote teabag parties. Or Hannity "interviewing" Coulter.
Is it a conspiracy if it's not a secret?
Clearly you have not been watching any MSNBC or CNN. To try and say one is worse than the other is total rubbish.
I do watch CNN, and it's clearly a news organization, rather than a sounding board for one political party. I've seen their commentators and guest speakers make editorial comments praising and smacking all sides. If you can't see the difference between them and Fox then you're completely blind.
Larry King really irritates me, though. That should count.
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I do watch CNN, and it's clearly a news organization, rather than a sounding board for one political party. I've seen their commentators and guest speakers make editorial comments praising and smacking all sides. If you can't see the difference between them and Fox then you're completely blind.
Larry King really irritates me, though. That should count.
My experience with MSNBC is limited to TRMS and Countdown. They are leftish political opinion shows. Unlike Fox news however, they do not claim to be "fair and balanced" and are pretty clear about being leftish opinion. I haven't seen any of the news coverage on MSNBC, so I can't comment on whether it has any particular slant or not. Something to note about TRMS and Countdown. They're leftish, but not specifically partisan. They don't criticize Dems and Repubs equally, but they both do actually criticize Dems with some frequency (including *gasp* President Obama... Guess they're part of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy too now!).
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My experience with MSNBC is limited to TRMS and Countdown. They are leftish political opinion shows. Unlike Fox news however, they do not claim to be "fair and balanced" and are pretty clear about being leftish opinion. I haven't seen any of the news coverage on MSNBC, so I can't comment on whether it has any particular slant or not. Something to note about TRMS and Countdown. They're leftish, but not specifically partisan. They don't criticize Dems and Repubs equally, but they both do actually criticize Dems with some frequency (including *gasp* President Obama... Guess they're part of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy too now!).
You guys are too funny. Leftish? Geez. C'mon at least be a little honest.
A network that 4 years ago said that anyone who didn't support Bush was unpatriotic because you're unpatriotic if you don't support the president, now spends 24x7 attacking the president, and they're not a partisan organization? And spends hours of airtime promoting protest rallies is "fair and balanced?"
I was doing some work with the TV on and listened to Fox for a while. They spent some time smearing Obama. Then they spent some time saying how Rush Limbaugh is a victim who is being treated unfairly. Then they spent some time saying that health care reform is a socialist plot that will bankrupt all of us. Oh yeah, lots of room for other viewpoints from the "balanced" network.
Pointing fingers at other people is at best a "tu quoque" fallacy (I'm substituting for Inq until he should decide to weigh in). Fox is a full-time editorial page attacking any moderate or left-leaning politician. There's no problem with pointing out what they are.
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A network that 4 years ago said that anyone who didn't support Bush was unpatriotic because you're unpatriotic if you don't support the president, now spends 24x7 attacking the president, and they're not a partisan organization? And spends hours of airtime promoting protest rallies is "fair and balanced?"
I was doing some work with the TV on and listened to Fox for a while. They spent some time smearing Obama. Then they spent some time saying how Rush Limbaugh is a victim who is being treated unfairly. Then they spent some time saying that health care reform is a socialist plot that will bankrupt all of us. Oh yeah, lots of room for other viewpoints from the "balanced" network.
Pointing fingers at other people is at best a "tu quoque" fallacy (I'm substituting for Inq until he should decide to weigh in). Fox is a full-time editorial page attacking any moderate or left-leaning politician. There's no problem with pointing out what they are.
Why dont you listen to MSNBC for a while before you get on your high horse and cry about how "biased" and unfair you think Fox is and realize that the same level of bias takes place on the other side as well. But of course you wouldnt know because you dont listen to it
My point is that for the administration to come out specifically against Fox and for Emmanuel to try and ostracize Fox is typical of how liberals like to play. If they dont like what is being said about them, they attack it and try and stop it. GWB claiming the NYT is partisan (which it clearly is, IMO) is hardly what this administration is trying to do to Fox.
Let me get this.
According to Slim:
GWB saying NYT was partisan against him was okay.
Obama saying Fox is partisan against him is bad.
Sure, that makes sense. And Slim really equates the two organizations. Clue for the "rabid partisan": The NYT is a news organization that has an editorial page. Fox "News" is an editorial.
But, if he really want to make me listen to MSNBC, I suppose I should accommodate you.
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Let me get this.
According to Slim:
GWB saying NYT was partisan against him was okay.
Obama saying Fox is partisan against him is bad.
Sure, that makes sense. And Slim really equates the two organizations. Clue for the "rabid partisan": The NYT is a news organization that has an editorial page. Fox "News" is an editorial.
But, if he really want to make me listen to MSNBC, I suppose I should accommodate you.
Right. This is just about Obama saying Fox is biased.
Are you really this obtuse, or are you just acting?
Clearly you have not been watching any MSNBC or CNN. To try and say one is worse than the other is total rubbish.
They're all the same.
They're all the same in your little fantasy world, Slim. To anyone else, whose every post isn't a dismissive insulting rant against liberals, there is a world of difference.
That was really funny about Jeff being obtuse; projection at it's best.
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They're all the same in your little fantasy world, Slim. To anyone else, whose every post isn't a dismissive insulting rant against liberals, there is a world of difference.
That was really funny about Jeff being obtuse; projection at it's best.
Wahaahaa. I'm at least trying to be somewhat intellectually honest and say that there is bias on both sides. You and Jeff on the other hand....
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