White house goes after Fox News

[I_luv_saber]

Well, one thing I noticed the other day...

CNN had ads directly attacking FOX News, and the right in general. They also have some creepy commercial where people say in unison something along the lines of "The right will be held accountable"... Cuh-reepy!

Now, I get where this is coming from - and I totally applaud their stance, which has pretty much always been "FOX isn't real news, this is real news". I'm cool with that, and calling that out is a good thing. But this... man, I dunno. That's crossing the border in my mind...

Now, I certainly don't think CNN does the same ting FOX does. They don't generally seems to throw their weight behind one ideology or the other. My term for CNN is "Newswhores". They swing whichever direction popular opinion is swinging. They're becoming more and more TV Show and less and less reliable news.

So while I wouldn't say CNN is as bad as FOX, it looks like they're on the road to becoming as bad as FOX.

EDIT:

One thing I wanted to add on the MSNBC front: Them occasionally criticizing doesn't mean much. They generally are criticizing him (from what I've seen) in the same way FOX criticized Bush (and yes, they did). FOX would slam Bush time to time for accommodating Democrats too much or for the occasional decision they didn't agree with (usually because it wasn't "far right enough". This is similar to what MSNBC gets Obama for - for example I recently saw them slamming Obama for being so willing to compromise (i.e. willing to drop the public option).

So occasionally criticizing your own side does not necessarily equal fair and balanced - else we must don FOX with that title as well (a very scary thought! )

[Purple Fencer]

Here's the part you are missing: MSNBC, in the guise of the Hardballs, Countdowns and Rachels, is political programming. It does not masquerade as news, although it does seem to make an effort to be accurate.

Whereas Fox generally just makes crap up...

[I_luv_saber]

Now, all that said, I enjoy nothing more than watching FOX get... well, for lack of a better term, "pwned".

Here are my two faves on Youtube (must watch if you have time. Hilarious.)

Megyn Kelly of FOX gets called out by Bill Burton.

Sean Hannity gets owned hard by Robert Gibb using his own logic against him.

These are both older vids, but they're the best IMO.

[Bayou Bum]

Calm yourself BB, and work on your reading comprehension skills.

I didn't say Matthews wasn't biased. I said that in the single sample I looked at he said something critical about Obama. The point about the NYT is that it too criticizes Obama and Democrats more than the mouthbreathers give it credit for.

And it's not me who's whining. This entire thread is due to Slim whining that the big bad mean White House had people saying mean things about poor defenseless Fox News.

I wasn't saying that you were whining, but that Obama was whining about his coverage on Fox. Obviously, I hit close to home for you to feel it was directed at you though.

[Bayou Bum]

Here's the part you are missing: MSNBC, in the guise of the Hardballs, Countdowns and Rachels, is political programming. It does not masquerade as news, although it does seem to make an effort to be accurate.

Fox bills itself as an impartial news organization: "We report, you decide." It attempts to place itself in the same league as the CNNs and big three network news organizations. It is not. It does not operate by the same journalistic standards as reputable news organizations do; not by a long shot.

If they removed "news" from their network ID and just called it Fox Politics (like their Fox Business channel), I would be perfectly happy.

No you wouldn't. Shows like Hannity, Beck, ect. on Fox are opinion entertainment shows and intelligent viewers take it as that. All include guests with opposing opinions for entertainment, as compared to print opinion columns with no opposing point of view at all. If you view them as news, do you also listen to the Rush news show as well? And for those that believe MSNBC and CNN are accurate and not biased, that would explain why so many of you never have all the facts before you present yourselves as experts on the subject here.

[Hauptman]

No you wouldn't. Shows like Hannity, Beck, ect. on Fox are opinion entertainment shows and intelligent viewers take it as that. All include guests with opposing opinions for entertainment, as compared to print opinion columns with no opposing point of view at all. If you view them as news, do you also listen to the Rush news show as well? And for those that believe MSNBC and CNN are accurate and not biased, that would explain why so many of you never have all the facts before you present yourselves as experts on the subject here.

I have to disagree with this. FOX brings on opposing views only when they feel like it and then proceeds to shout them down and insult them; O'Reilly is horrible about it.

Olberman is long winded and overly dramatic, but at least he uses actual fact to support his rants. The same can be said of Maddow. But Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc, play WAY too fast and loose with the facts. They will say anything, no matter how obviously false, to support their arguments.

At least MSNBC will allow the opposition to make their points, and then actually discuss those points without the insults. Although Chris Mathews will shout down people, but he does that to everyone even when he's agreeing with them.

My favorite at this point is John Stewart. He doesn't pretend to have a serious news show, but he brings on big names from both sides of the aisle and has truly insightful interviews with them even while cracking some jokes. To me it is the best show on TV.

[lindajdunn]

But Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc, play WAY too fast and loose with the facts.

Note how they edit the videos and audios. For example, the Dunn Mao and Mother Theresa quote. Beck cuts it off so it sounds like she's a fan of Mao's philosophy.

These are not journalist or even commentators. These are entertainers who will do and say anything for ratings. Heck, even Jerry Springer doesn't take it that far.

[migopod]

Note how they edit the videos and audios. For example, the Dunn Mao and Mother Theresa quote. Beck cuts it off so it sounds like she's a fan of Mao's philosophy.

These are not journalist or even commentators. These are entertainers who will do and say anything for ratings. Heck, even Jerry Springer doesn't take it that far.

Point of Information: Jerry Springer briefly had a political talk radio show on Air America Radio. I actually thought his radio show was just okay. It turns out when he's doing political talk, he's really subdued and kinda boring. Who'da thunk it!

[jessicasimpson]

Now, all that said, I enjoy nothing more than watching FOX get... well, for lack of a better term, "pwned".

Here are my two faves on Youtube (must watch if you have time. Hilarious.)

Megyn Kelly of FOX gets called out by Bill Burton.

Sean Hannity gets owned hard by Robert Gibb using his own logic against him.

These are both older vids, but they're the best IMO.

Note how they edit the videos and audios. For example, the Dunn Mao and Mother Theresa quote. Beck cuts it off so it sounds like she's a fan of Mao's philosophy.

These are not journalist or even commentators. These are entertainers who will do and say anything for ratings. Heck, even Jerry Springer doesn't take it that far.

Here is O'Reily doing the exact same thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5crhZ...om=PL&index=25

[lindajdunn]

Bill Hemmer reported that Department of Education official Kevin Jennings knew of a "statutory rape" case involving a 15-year-old student but "never reported it." Actually, the student was not 15, but 16, which was the age of consent in that state. It was not statutory rape. It was not a crime at all.

In March, Fox News's Martha MacCallum presented a clip of Vice President Joe Biden saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" -- and presented it as from an interview that weekend. In fact, the clip came from a 2008 campaign event at which Biden was quoting Sen. John McCain. An oops or an intentional distortion?

It's not just Hannity and Beck who are (to quote Sarah Palin) "making stuff up".

[Hauptman]

Bill Hemmer reported that Department of Education official Kevin Jennings knew of a "statutory rape" case involving a 15-year-old student but "never reported it." Actually, the student was not 15, but 16, which was the age of consent in that state. It was not statutory rape. It was not a crime at all.

In March, Fox News's Martha MacCallum presented a clip of Vice President Joe Biden saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" -- and presented it as from an interview that weekend. In fact, the clip came from a 2008 campaign event at which Biden was quoting Sen. John McCain. An oops or an intentional distortion?

It's not just Hannity and Beck who are (to quote Sarah Palin) "making stuff up".

I loved all the times that a Republican politician that had been caught doing something illegal/immoral they somehow appeared on FOX with a "D" for Democrat after their names.

It's happened way too many times for it to be anything but intentional; they've never labeled a disgraced Democrat with an "R".

[Purple Fencer]

Point of Information: Jerry Springer briefly had a political talk radio show on Air America Radio. I actually thought his radio show was just okay. It turns out when he's doing political talk, he's really subdued and kinda boring. Who'da thunk it!

You can't see someone slinging a chair during a fight on the radio...

[migopod]

You can't see someone slinging a chair during a fight on the radio...

The Mercury Theater could have pulled it off.

[Slim]

It's happened way too many times for it to be anything but intentional; they've never labeled a disgraced Democrat with an "R".

MSNBC,NBC and CNN got that covered. Dont you worry now.

[Slim]

Bill Hemmer reported that Department of Education official Kevin Jennings knew of a "statutory rape" case involving a 15-year-old student but "never reported it." Actually, the student was not 15, but 16, which was the age of consent in that state. It was not statutory rape. It was not a crime at all.

In March, Fox News's Martha MacCallum presented a clip of Vice President Joe Biden saying "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" -- and presented it as from an interview that weekend. In fact, the clip came from a 2008 campaign event at which Biden was quoting Sen. John McCain. An oops or an intentional distortion?

It's not just Hannity and Beck who are (to quote Sarah Palin) "making stuff up".

No way....you're kidding. Fox bad. Very bad.

So riddle me this batgirl....why does Fox news continue to totally dominate the ratings while the others are fighting for scraps?

A. Same reason ScareAmerica radio cant be found outside of a more than a few 100Watt stations.

[lindajdunn]

No way....you're kidding. Fox bad. Very bad.

So riddle me this batgirl....why does Fox news continue to totally dominate the ratings while the others are fighting for scraps?

A. Same reason ScareAmerica radio cant be found outside of a more than a few 100Watt stations.

BUZZZZZZ! Sorry, wrong answer. Thank you for playing.

Ratings have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of reporting. What the high ratings prove is that Fox News is the Jon and Kate Gosselin of news reporting.

You sit and watch in sick fascination and shake your head while the base watches it and has their warped worldview confirmed and Grannie locks the door so Obama won't be able to pull her plug while Earl gets out his sawed off rifle so he'll be ready when they arrive to try to drag him off to the FEMA camp.

[jeff]

So, let's get this straight. Slim's response to numerous reports of Fox dishonesty is to say "they're #1 in the ratings". Well, that's a commitment to excellence in journalism if every I saw one!

[Slim]

BUZZZZZZ! Sorry, wrong answer. Thank you for playing.

Ratings have absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of reporting. What the high ratings prove is that Fox News is the Jon and Kate Gosselin of news reporting.

You sit and watch in sick fascination and shake your head while the base watches it and has their warped worldview confirmed and Grannie locks the door so Obama won't be able to pull her plug while Earl gets out his sawed off rifle so he'll be ready when they arrive to try to drag him off to the FEMA camp.

Hahaha. Too funny. Those who dont agree with you are just mindless robots that cant make their own choices. Hahaha. Blame it on the media.

Silly liberal.

[jeff]

Slim, if you think those criticisms of Fox are unfair or inaccurate and that Fox isn't a bunch of dishonest dirtbags, then you should be able to refute the allegations instead of name calling the people that make them. You can always tell when Slim has no counter argument - he starts slinging mud. He thinks it upsets people when it's just amusing.

[jessicasimpson]

Hahaha. Too funny. Those who dont agree with you are just mindless robots that cant make their own choices. Hahaha. Blame it on the media.

Silly liberal.

I'll take projection for $1000 Alex