White house goes after Fox News

[davesaint]

Migopod,

Don't you find it both hilarious and quite disturbing that Beck, O'Riley, and Hannity are participating in Teabagging...


Dave

[erik_blank]

Migopod,

Don't you find it both hilarious and quite disturbing that Beck, O'Riley, and Hannity are participating in Teabagging...


Dave

Personally I just find it hypocrytical...

[davesaint]

Personally I just find it hypocrytical...

Only if they enjoy it Eric


Dave

[Slim]

Slim,

Reading is a skill. Obviously it is one that you lack. As I indicated in my post, the problem I have with people like Beck are the same as the people who shout Fire in a crowded theatre. What he does is dangerous and irresponsible. Any time that he would like to use facts and calm reason to rationally discuss the issues that our country is dealing with, I would gladly listen and even show some signs of respect for him. Unfortunately he and people like Rush use absolute falshoods to spread fear amongst people to boost his ratings. To me that does not fit into my feelings of free speach is all about. Fraud is a crime, and what people like him are spewing is nothing more than fraud. I just wish people would realize it so that we can get some reasonable quality journalism back in this country that is not bias by political rhetoric.


Dave

Davestaint,

Fortunately, you dont get to decide who says what or what constitutes free speech.

I think what you do is dangerous and irresponsible. But enjoy...its a free country. For now.

[Slim]

Migopod,

Don't you find it both hilarious and quite disturbing that Beck, O'Riley, and Hannity are participating in Teabagging...


Dave

Seems to me that equating standing up for what someone believes in with stuffing ones scrotum in someones face might be a little...well, juvenile?

I bet you giggle when you say "teabagger"..right?

I guess if it helps discredit them or make them sound icky, it's a good thing. It's the liberal way.

[migopod]

Migopod,

Don't you find it both hilarious and quite disturbing that Beck, O'Riley, and Hannity are participating in Teabagging...


Dave

Absolutely. I think it serves as a cautionary tale for any political movement to first check urban dictionary before committing to verb choice.

Rick Santorum can be excused because it was his name before it acquired its alternate meaning.

[davesaint]

Davestaint,

Fortunately, you dont get to decide who says what or what constitutes free speech.

I think what you do is dangerous and irresponsible. But enjoy...its a free country. For now.

Actually the US Supreme Court decided that yelling Fire in a crowded theatre was not covered under the First Amendment.

Committing Fraud is not covered under the First Amendment.

Knowingingly using lies to convince people that something is true is fraud.

So explain to me what I do is dangerous and irresponsible. Inciting poeople to such levels of anger that there are threats of violence against elected officials, is dangerous and irresponsible. Watch video of these teabagging sessions if you want to see threats of violence against elected officials.

Dave

[Philistine]

Actually the US Supreme Court decided that yelling Fire in a crowded theatre was not covered under the First Amendment.

Well... so long as there actually is no fire....

Nobody remembers that part of the quote.

{snip}
Knowingingly using lies to convince people that something is true is fraud.{snip}

Not exactly. Otherwise Borat and Alan Funt would be guilty of fraud.

--Philistine

[lindajdunn]

Fox News must think Americans are stupid. Unfortunately, they're right.

They showed a clip from the Thursday rally where the sky was clear and the trees were changing color. Then they gave the size of the crowd and made a lot of comments about how impressive this was. The video footage of the crowd showed GREEN TREES and a CLOUDY DAY.

They said 20-45K attendees. The Washington Post said 10K.

10K is impressive for a Thursday. Why did Fox News lie?

[Bayou Bum]

Fox News must think Americans are stupid. Unfortunately, they're right.

They showed a clip from the Thursday rally where the sky was clear and the trees were changing color. Then they gave the size of the crowd and made a lot of comments about how impressive this was. The video footage of the crowd showed GREEN TREES and a CLOUDY DAY.

They said 20-45K attendees. The Washington Post said 10K.

10K is impressive for a Thursday. Why did Fox News lie?

Are you sure Fox lied? Did you count them?

[jessicasimpson]

Fox News must think Americans are stupid. Unfortunately, they're right.

They showed a clip from the Thursday rally where the sky was clear and the trees were changing color. Then they gave the size of the crowd and made a lot of comments about how impressive this was. The video footage of the crowd showed GREEN TREES and a CLOUDY DAY.

They said 20-45K attendees. The Washington Post said 10K.

10K is impressive for a Thursday. Why did Fox News lie?

I am shocked to learn that the Fox News Channel has continued to lie and distort, having been exposed on a fencing discussion board.

[migopod]

Fox News must think Americans are stupid. Unfortunately, they're right.

They showed a clip from the Thursday rally where the sky was clear and the trees were changing color. Then they gave the size of the crowd and made a lot of comments about how impressive this was. The video footage of the crowd showed GREEN TREES and a CLOUDY DAY.

They said 20-45K attendees. The Washington Post said 10K.

10K is impressive for a Thursday. Why did Fox News lie?

That's nothing, on the G. Gordon Liddy show they estimated more than a million.
I kid you not.

[Bayou Bum]

Fox News must think Americans are stupid. Unfortunately, they're right.

They showed a clip from the Thursday rally where the sky was clear and the trees were changing color. Then they gave the size of the crowd and made a lot of comments about how impressive this was. The video footage of the crowd showed GREEN TREES and a CLOUDY DAY.

They said 20-45K attendees. The Washington Post said 10K.

10K is impressive for a Thursday. Why did Fox News lie?

Never mind. Quoting Jon Stewart on the Daily Show

If ignorance is bliss, you must be in ecstasy!

[I_luv_saber]

Are you sure Fox lied? Did you count them?

What about the "odd" video cutting? (This is a pet peeve of mine, one that all are guilty of at one point or another it seems)

[Bayou Bum]

What about the "odd" video cutting? (This is a pet peeve of mine, one that all are guilty of at one point or another it seems)

After watching the video I agree that Fox used previous footage. I have noticed that it is common to use stock footage in news stories and I see it all the time in floods, storms, hurricanes, forest fires, and such. I don't like it in those cases but it is especially wrong to use it in a story such as this where the video of the crowd was the story. So yes, Fox was wrong and I don't know how many people were really there.

[lindajdunn]

So yes, Fox was wrong and I don't know how many people were really there.

Thank you for acknowledging when they are wrong. And to give credit where it is due...

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/fox-news...ar-conspiracy/ FoxNews fact-checked Sarah Palin's recent comments.

[academe]

Thank you for acknowledging when they are wrong. And to give credit where it is due...

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/fox-news...ar-conspiracy/ FoxNews fact-checked Sarah Palin's recent comments.

Hard not to experience a bit of cognitive dissonance reading "fact", "FoxNews", AND "Sarah Palin" in the same sentence.

[lindajdunn]

I'm home, sick, and too sick to sleep so I'm Googling and have found a few items of interest.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911110019

More details about the Fox News "inadvertent usage" of the wrong video footage and a listing of some of the other notable creative editing moments.

Beck claimed G-20 protesters in Pittsburgh carried a hammer-and-sickle symbol, but image actually came from a California school's "Class of 2007" mosaic.

On the May 1 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, during a segment suggesting that former Vice President Al Gore has profited from his advocacy of renewable energy and climate change mitigation, guest host Laura Ingraham presented clips of Gore's April 24 congressional testimony that had been edited to remove his statements that he donates the money he makes from his climate-related work to a nonprofit organization.

And just look how they altered the photographs of two reporters that Fox & Friends did a segment about: http://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002 Of course, there's nothing inherently unethical about altering the photographs of your rivals but... Wow!

http://mediamatters.org/reports/200905050003 More example of Fox editing changes that misled viewers.

[Slim]

I'm home, sick, and too sick to sleep so I'm Googling and have found a few items of interest.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911110019

More details about the Fox News "inadvertent usage" of the wrong video footage and a listing of some of the other notable creative editing moments.

Beck claimed G-20 protesters in Pittsburgh carried a hammer-and-sickle symbol, but image actually came from a California school's "Class of 2007" mosaic.

On the May 1 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, during a segment suggesting that former Vice President Al Gore has profited from his advocacy of renewable energy and climate change mitigation, guest host Laura Ingraham presented clips of Gore's April 24 congressional testimony that had been edited to remove his statements that he donates the money he makes from his climate-related work to a nonprofit organization.

And just look how they altered the photographs of two reporters that Fox & Friends did a segment about: http://mediamatters.org/research/200807020002 Of course, there's nothing inherently unethical about altering the photographs of your rivals but... Wow!

http://mediamatters.org/reports/200905050003 More example of Fox editing changes that misled viewers.

In your recent spirit of giving credit to where credit is due, why dont you post some of the gaffs and slight of hand tricks of CNN an MSNBC?

[jeff]

Davestaint,

Fortunately, you dont get to decide who says what or what constitutes free speech.

I think what you do is dangerous and irresponsible. But enjoy...its a free country. For now.

Slim, when I saw this line I thought it was really ironic, as you exactly capture the consequences of the dishonest fearmongering of your favorite news outlets and their friends. It is clearly dangerous and irresponsible for them to suggest that the office of the President is occupied by somebody not a citizen, or that there are death panels, or any of dozens of other falsehoods. But since it supports your partisan side you gleefully support such distructive behavior. A real shame.