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Array  Originally Posted by lindajdunn The award is also an example of what Nobel scholars call the growing aspirational trend of Nobel committees over the past three decades, by which awards are given not for what has been achieved but in support of the cause being fought for.
Then the committee has clearly departed from its mandate, which was to award the person who "during the preceding year...shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".
Does anyone really think that in two weeks as President Obama did "the most or best work"?
And it's "work", not philosophical correlation with members of the committee or even of the world community...
Certainly it's not in their portfolio to "stick it" to one person by awarding to another, which, let's face it, is another obvious part of their decision.
The prize has been discredited ever since it started awarding to NGOs and lawyers over guys like Gandhi. Use the Shift key, people! Keyboard manufacturers everywhere are ineffably saddened when you ignore what they made just for you! -
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Array  Originally Posted by pigeonmeister I doubt it. Obama was nominated in february having campaigned on a ticket that emphasised that Afghanistan was the real fight and Iraq a costly distraction. They were already sure he was going to withdraw from Iraq and the situation in Afghanistan seemed (ever so slightly) less futile. You are making your decision based on the current hightly politicised and exceedingly difficult decision Obama faces right now (made harder from the adverse reaction high British loses have had in the UK and the obvious sham election).
I understand its tempting to view this decision, like most of your theories, as part of a liberal conspiracy to subvert American morality and undermine its national security. But I think the anti-Bush protest vote combined with the slightly patronising observation that Obama is a black president who said some nice things about Muslims the more convincing theory. Perhaps. On second though, your probably right. The twits who awarded the prize probably didnt give it any more thought than to make it a biotch slap to Bush and patronize the black guy. Again, reconfirms that this is a worthless "prize" awarded by a worthless group of cretins.
And Obama accepted it like it actually meant something. Truth is Liberal.  -
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Array  Originally Posted by Slim Perhaps. On second though, your probably right. The twits who awarded the prize probably didnt give it any more thought than to make it a biotch slap to Bush and patronize the black guy. Again, reconfirms that this is a worthless "prize" awarded by a worthless group of cretins.
And Obama accepted it like it actually meant something.  And you of course would turn down the award (with the 1.4 million dollars) if they awarded it in being a puppet douche "There is a fine line between clever and stupid" David St. Hubbins -
 Originally Posted by lindajdunn The terrorists won. Only to liberals who are willing to surrender personal liberty for the illusion of safety. -
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Array  Originally Posted by Bayou Bum Only to conservatives who are willing to surrender personal liberty for the illusion of safety.
Fixed that for you. After all, it was Bush & Cheney Inc. who usurped our constitutional rights in the name of so-called safety. Patriot Act. Wiretapping. Waterboarding-isn't-torture.
In another take on why Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. http://www.slowpokecomics.com/strips/terminatrix.html -
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Array  Originally Posted by lindajdunn Fixed that for you. After all, it was Bush & Cheney Inc. who usurped our constitutional rights in the name of so-called safety. Patriot Act. Wiretapping. Waterboarding-isn't-torture.
In another take on why Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. http://www.slowpokecomics.com/strips/terminatrix.html You seriously have some issues with Palin. Ya might wanna talk to a therapist about it. I'm no shrink, but it seems borderline obsessive.
If you are going to quote someone, quote them. Dont change their quote to how you would like it to read. Please. Grow up. Your type of response requires less thought as " I know you are but what am I".
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Array  Originally Posted by Bayou Bum Only to liberals who are willing to surrender personal liberty for the illusion of safety. Are you serious? That was the Bush Administration's M.O.! "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -
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Array  Originally Posted by Slim You seriously have some issues with Palin. Ya might wanna talk to a therapist about it. I'm no shrink, but it seems borderline obsessive.
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Array  Originally Posted by I_luv_saber Are you serious? That was the Bush Administration's M.O.! In all fairness, the USA Patriot act got pretty near unanimous support from all those libs in congress and in the Bush admin. In fact, IIRC only a certain uberconservative senator from Wisconsin* had the conservative stones to oppose it. I'm a little surprised that the right-wing fringe would be so pro-Feingold, but something about retarded squirrels and nut-locating prowess comes to mind.
edit: and I guess a few fine members of the house as well, but jeez, only one senator?
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Array Well, I wasn't just referring to PA, but duly noted. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -
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Array Obama Named Country Music Entertainer of the Year
Surprise Selection Shocks Nashville
NASHVILLE (The Borowitz Report) - President Barack Obama stunned the country music world today by picking up its highest honor, Country Music Entertainer of the Year.
Mr. Obama was chosen unanimously, according to the Country Music Association, beating out such favorite as Carrie Underwood and Toby Keith.
In Nashville, country music insiders were shocked by Mr. Obama's selection, given that he has only been in office for eight months and during that time has yet to record a single country song.
But Mr. Obama was gracious in receiving the honor, saying that he was "honored and humbled" by the award before excusing himself to accept this year's Heisman Trophy. "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different." -
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Array  Originally Posted by jeff Obama Named Country Music Entertainer of the Year
Surprise Selection Shocks Nashville
NASHVILLE (The Borowitz Report) - President Barack Obama stunned the country music world today by picking up its highest honor, Country Music Entertainer of the Year.
Mr. Obama was chosen unanimously, according to the Country Music Association, beating out such favorite as Carrie Underwood and Toby Keith.
In Nashville, country music insiders were shocked by Mr. Obama's selection, given that he has only been in office for eight months and during that time has yet to record a single country song.
But Mr. Obama was gracious in receiving the honor, saying that he was "honored and humbled" by the award before excusing himself to accept this year's Heisman Trophy. And Kanye West stormed the stage and proclaimed that Taylor Swift should have won "There is a fine line between clever and stupid" David St. Hubbins -
 Originally Posted by lindajdunn Fixed that for you. After all, it was Bush & Cheney Inc. who usurped our constitutional rights in the name of so-called safety. Patriot Act. Wiretapping. Waterboarding-isn't-torture.
In another take on why Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. http://www.slowpokecomics.com/strips/terminatrix.html I guess you support Obama's decision to end, no I mean extend, the Patriot Act?
And which Obama won the Nobel Prize? The Candidate Obama that was against wiretapping or the President Obama arguing for wiretapping. At least Bush was consistent.
How many Americans were tortured using waterboarding by the CIA? I am not opposed to waterboarding in select cases where it can save American lives. I think it is more effective than inviting the terrorist to the White House for a beer, but he may prove me wrong. -
 Originally Posted by migopod In all fairness, the USA Patriot act got pretty near unanimous support from all those libs in congress and in the Bush admin. In fact, IIRC only a certain uberconservative senator from Wisconsin* had the conservative stones to oppose it. I'm a little surprised that the right-wing fringe would be so pro-Feingold, but something about retarded squirrels and nut-locating prowess comes to mind.
edit: and I guess a few fine members of the house as well, but jeez, only one senator? This is true, but then consider that the Patriot Act wasn't enough for the Bush/Cheney adminstration. They ran numerous secret operations that violated the Constititution, existing law, and a wealth of legal precedent.
It's amazing that anyone would claim that the current adminstration could in anyway be worse on civil liberties than that. But then considering the source of the original comment... - Wisdom is the knowledge of how much you don't know. -
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Array  Originally Posted by Bayou Bum I guess you support Obama's decision to end, no I mean extend, the Patriot Act? No, I oppose it.
And which Obama won the Nobel Prize? The Candidate Obama that was against wiretapping or the President Obama arguing for wiretapping. At least Bush was consistent.
The candidate was nominated and the President won. I don't approve of that one either but that's wasn't something anyone sought. It's a liability, not an asset.
I'd prefer the hope of inconsistency favoring me. Another lottery ticket, please.
How many Americans were tortured using waterboarding by the CIA?
We'll probably never know.
I am not opposed to waterboarding in select cases where it can save American lives.
Professionals have argued the waterboarding was not only ineffecient but counterproductive.
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Array The jury defends its choice I don't think I've seen this much controversy over a jury award choice since The Uranus Project was nominated for a script award.
The Nobel jury is defending its choice of Obama. I remain skeptical. http://www.wsbtv.com/nationalnews/21281501/detail.html
"All these things have contributed to -- I wouldn't say a safer world -- but a world with less tension," Jagland said by phone from the French city of Strasbourg, where he was attending meetings in his other role as secretary-general of the Council of Europe. -
 Originally Posted by lindajdunn Fixed that for you. After all, it was Bush & Cheney Inc. who usurped our constitutional rights in the name of so-called safety. Patriot Act. Wiretapping. Waterboarding-isn't-torture. Wiretapping didn't exist prior to the evil Bush administration?
The Patriot Act was passed 98-1 in the Senate, and 357-66 in the house...looks like alot of people with a (D) after their names must of supported it..
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Array Hauptman, jeff, I owe you both rep when I'm able. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -
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Array  Originally Posted by bpm Wiretapping didn't exist prior to the evil Bush administration? To my understanding, not within the US without a warrant, no. Also, IIRC, only the FBI had authority for internal monitoring. I believe now the NSA has that ability.
I'll have to look about and see if I can find that source, though... "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it." -
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Array  Originally Posted by bpm Wiretapping didn't exist prior to the evil Bush administration?
The Patriot Act was passed 98-1 in the Senate, and 357-66 in the house...looks like alot of people with a (D) after their names must of supported it..
-B Failing to vote in support of the Patriot Act would have been the equivalent of citing the Fifth Amendment in response to the question: Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party of the United States?" back in the McCarthy era. Similar Threads -
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