2010 PCCs location?

[edew]

I'm just surprised he got the fact that I'm a brass player correct!

I didn't take you for strings.

[bigdawg2121]

Hehe. I like how Eddy mixed some truth in with his deceptions. Makes life funnier.

For the record I am a ref/occasional coach/somehow oddly-competitive-(despite-a-lack-of-training-and-persistent-injuries) fencer. I want to ref in Lost Wages b/c I hear it's fun. Oh, I am a very Big Dawg...but only relative to the confines of my own back yard. All 10 sq ft of it.

[notalent]

Hehe. I like how Eddy mixed some truth in with his deceptions. Makes life funnier. I want to ref in Lost Wages b/c I hear it's fun.

Shockingly I think finding refs will not be one of my problems for PCCs this year

[oiuyt]

Then there are folks like KD5 that ferret out who is who and update their data base regularly. I'm sure he now has you entered on the spreadsheet

My understanding is that KD5 no longer bothers to maintain the ID database. Which doesn't mean he isn't still quite good at investigative work on a specific case if and when the situation warrants. Even without cheating and using whatever super-powers moderators are granted.

I assume I was in his spreadsheet before it fell into disuse. That said, I suspect he would not refer to it if he wanted to know who I am.

-B

[edew]

Hehe. I like how Eddy mixed some truth in with his deceptions. Makes life funnier.

For the record I am a ref/occasional coach/somehow oddly-competitive-(despite-a-lack-of-training-and-persistent-injuries) fencer. I want to ref in Lost Wages b/c I hear it's fun. Oh, I am a very Big Dawg...but only relative to the confines of my own back yard. All 10 sq ft of it.

You'd be surprised at how many people meet me at NACs, say, and know me via f.net and greet me by saying, "Hi Ed." It's EdWARD, thankyew.

[Purple Fencer]

The problem with HI has been the difficulty in bringing equipment over to the islands. Maybe if every competitor were to bring a part, say a reel or floor cord or just one machine, it could be done. The Hawaii Convention Center is huge, located in Honolulu right next to the Ala Moana Shopping Center and is just a super cool convention center. We can use just a small part of it.

Of course, you can forget shipping over grounded strips. Hawaii division has several old, tired, beat-up copper strips of the roll-up variety, delivered to them about 10 years ago (courtesy of some guy named Eric Dew). And I doubt they can handle any more abuse. On the other hand, it would be a very laid back event (despite it being a qualifying event). Might be able to hire some refs from China or Japan to come by. Heck, I think we can even get some refs from NY or PA or France or Germany to drop by.

But I'm sure the Hawaii natives are dog tired of another sunny day (ok, sunny, rainy, sunny, rainy, sunny, rainy day) and would much rather fly out to Long Beach or Sacramento or even Las Vegas to see something exotic and different.

What WOULD the shipping costs be if done by surface ship? It would be no different than other freight services, I'd think.

And we might have a little bit of an economic impact...'cause if you're gonna go to the Islands, it makes sense to tag a vacation stay onto it.

[teacup]

But is there a large, suitable, affordable venue in Hawaii?

[seven6ty]

I'm from San Francisco also, but only recently moved up here from LA. (San Franciscans' favorite place, from what I've seen so far!)

[edew]

But is there a large, suitable, affordable venue in Hawaii?

Yes there is. I mentioned it. The Hawaii Convention Center in Honolulu. It's attached to the Ala Moana hotel, which also has space, but not nearly as big. The HCC is ginormous. It's not as big as the Mines of Moria that is the World Congress Center in Atlanta, but does have over 200,000 sqft of height appropriate space. The shorter roofed areas amount to about 20,000 sqft. It's multi-leveled with nice flowery decorations and all such nice things. Very cool.

The problem with shipping, as noted on the USFA website's FAQ about why we don't have NACs or Nationals at Hawaii is that the full complement of equipment is around 10,000 tons or some ridiculous number like that. Whatever, it's a large amount of items to float over there. Travel would be a week no matter what, but that's no big deal as arrangements can be made ahead of time when necessary.

[Purple Fencer]

Wonder if anyone's ever looked into the Convention Center in San Diego....if it can host ComicCon...

[notalent]

Wonder if anyone's ever looked into the Convention Center in San Diego....if it can host ComicCon...

Any convention center has the space, that isn't the problem its the price that is the issue. That and the availability of said space. Pasadena has 77k sq ft that would fit a NAC or SN but they want 13k a day which the USFA might be able to come up with. Those spaces were not available on the dates needed, only the tent was available and. It can only fit 16 strips safely.

[hologramqueen]

I'm still willing to help out.. I would need to know what I am looking for. dimensions, dates etc.. its only slightly difficult to cold call saying "I need to know your rates for a fencing tourney, but I have no idea what I need or for when".. If you want serious assistance, let me know..

[notalent]

I'm still willing to help out.. I would need to know what I am looking for. dimensions, dates etc.. its only slightly difficult to cold call saying "I need to know your rates for a fencing tourney, but I have no idea what I need or for when".. If you want serious assistance, let me know..

At this point there we are committed to vegas for 2010, for Sr PCCs and team. I'm still looking for Jrs. You need 10000 sq ft for individuals 15k for if you want to host a Jr team with that.

[fencerwallet]

I'm still looking for Jrs. You need 10000 sq ft for individuals 15k for if you want to host a Jr team with that.

It might be too small, but I might know of a possible location just west of downtown Los Angeles which has a gym approx. 2x the size of La Jolla Country Day Schools'. Huge adjacent on-site parking lot, too.

[Mr.MightyMouse]

At this point there we are committed to vegas for 2010, for Sr PCCs and team. I'm still looking for Jrs. You need 10000 sq ft for individuals 15k for if you want to host a Jr team with that.

You're kidding NT?

Jrs and Srs separately - 2 trips then -c'mon!!!

[Purple Fencer]

You're kidding NT?

Jrs and Srs separately - 2 trips then -c'mon!!!

It was like that in years past....I don't think the events got combined until the early 2000s.

I was webmaster when the Jrs were held at Chaminade HS (late 90s, I think)...Srs were held elsewhere at a later date.

[teacup]

You're kidding NT?

Jrs and Srs separately - 2 trips then -c'mon!!!

The Jr PCC's have been held with the SYC and with the Sr. PCC's.
Before there were SYC's, I think the Jr. PCC's were held with a Youth PCC.

The year that the Jr. PCC's and Sr. team events were on the same day, wasn't pretty. Which is one reason that the team events weren't held last year with the Jr and Sr individual qualifiers.

[edew]

It was combined until around '95 or so when the Jrs got too big to join the Srs. Then, the Jrs were supplemented with Cadets and Youth events. Then the Youth events were split out separately when the combined Jr/Cdt/Youth got too big. Now, the Youth is eliminated or subsumed by the SYC, the Cadet does not exist (since it doesn't qualify to anything and is rather redundant with the Junior), and the Junior is back with the Seniors because of the logistical headache of locating two venues. Jr and Sr has been back together only in the last several years. Prior to that, the Jr was part of the SYC and before that, it was a separate Jr PCCs with maybe just cadet or with youth as well.

[notalent]

You're kidding NT?

Jrs and Srs separately - 2 trips then -c'mon!!!

It had been separated for many years since before the last time I chair.
That was by vote of the membership. The combined events regularly finished after 9 this was over 3 days. The bylaws compel us to hold 3 events by spliting Jrs from Srs we can get the events done in a timely fashion with no missed school days. With a larger venued we provide the Jrs a team event. Part of why vegas was chosen is the ability to hold all 3 events if needed. One of the complicating issue is that for quals we have to allow crossover and the delay that that brings. Yes, there are folks that want to fence more than one weapon. From a logistic stand point 2 events make the most sense, as long as the membership wants a team event at PCCs.

[Mr.MightyMouse]

It was combined until around '95 or so when the Jrs got too big to join the Srs.

I'm not that good at the Ancient Pacific Rim history.
I remember 4-5 years ago Cadets and Juniors were together - that was OK, then IIRC SYC + Cadets + Jrs were together - I did not fence Sr then; last 2-3 years Jrs and Srs were together - which worked out fine; but now if Sr's are in Vegas and Jr's per se in Fresno - that's 2 trips - 2 sets of hotel rooms - 2 additional days to travel, I'm skipping 1 for sure.
Surely most fencers would rather be done at 9 p.m. over the course of 3 or 4 days, as opposed to 2 separate weekend trips; there is work, homework, life, etc...
IMHO coaches and refs that travel to a Tournament almost every weekend in season are forgetting that fencers would rather not - if possible.