2010 PCCs location?

[Purple Fencer]

what I think people are forgetting, is there are 13yr olds that can participate in the jr's and sr's. Vegas is not appropriate for 13 year olds and not every adult is a drinker or gambler. While going to the shows is fun, some do have age restrictions and not everyone is wanting to drop the $50 bucks per person for to do that. Referee's generally do not come with their families in tow, but I can assure you, young fencers do.

Submit a bid ($1 to Jeff Ream at Drum Corps Planet....we have this same discussion re hosting major shows....)

[flechewounds]

what I think people are forgetting, is there are 13yr olds that can participate in the jr's and sr's. Vegas is not appropriate for 13 year olds and not every adult is a drinker or gambler. While going to the shows is fun, some do have age restrictions and not everyone is wanting to drop the $50 bucks per person for to do that. Referee's generally do not come with their families in tow, but I can assure you, young fencers do.

The venue that is being considered is a non-gaming venue off of the strip a few blocks. It wasn't my choice (but it is certainly an adequate and reasonable space).

As for NorCal - last year when I was in charge of the PCCs, I tried to get space in NorCal. None of the standard "convention" facilities had raised floors - and I don't like putting fencing on hard floors (even with carpet). No one stepped forward with viable solutions, either... although they were solicited.

Long Beach addressed my concern as it was a basketball court (wood floors - and the lack of injuries attest to that), but it isn't the only consideration.

[hologramqueen]

there will be quite a few 20's and under attending, as they will be trying to qualify for SN's in jr's and DIV1A.. Some very qualified refs aren't 21 and couldn't participate in any "adult" (gambling, imbibing, clubbing, etc..) entertainment. I think this is a bad idea for the PCC's.. my opinion..

[Purple Fencer]

there will be quite a few 20's and under attending, as they will be trying to qualify for SN's in jr's and DIV1A.. Some very qualified refs aren't 21 and couldn't participate in any "adult" (gambling, imbibing, clubbing, etc..) entertainment. I think this is a bad idea for the PCC's.. my opinion..

They're there to fence and maybe qual for SN...not to partake of Vegas' particulars.

I say again....if you have an issue, take the initiative and find a venue...it's difficult enough for division-level events (just ask the SoCal leadership), let alone section-level.

Talking about it does nothing unless you have some hard numbers to back it up...and you've got the former and current section chairs on the board....don't discount their experiences in setting up a large event like this.

Terry confirmed the location to me when I saw him at San Luis Obispo last week...but I'll let him make the actual announcement.

[edew]

there will be quite a few 20's and under attending, as they will be trying to qualify for SN's in jr's and DIV1A.. Some very qualified refs aren't 21 and couldn't participate in any "adult" (gambling, imbibing, clubbing, etc..) entertainment. I think this is a bad idea for the PCC's.. my opinion..

There's much more to do in Vegas than gamble, drink and fool around. In almost all other possible venues, drinking and fooling around are readily available to anyone, over or under 21 (modulo legality), and within most metropolitan areas of California and Nevada, there are places to gamble as well. So if you're looking for any of those activities, you'll find them in any of the regular locations. If you wish to ignore them, you can do so just as well in Vegas. Indeed, there are probably more appropriate entertainment activities for youngsters than in other areas. Know of a fun place for kids around the Pasadena Convention Center? Or CSULB? Treasure Island? Sierra Nevada Brewery? Hawaii Convention Center?

[hologramqueen]

i would be more that happy to scout for a venue. give me the dates, floor space etc particulars and I will work on it. (side note to eric, at a 2 day event I don't need to look for entertainment for my fencers. at the SNO it was a one day event. only had to look for a place for lunch that wasn't overgrown with undergrads)

[hologramqueen]

There's much more to do in Vegas than gamble, drink and fool around. In almost all other possible venues, drinking and fooling around are readily available to anyone, over or under 21 (modulo legality), and within most metropolitan areas of California and Nevada, there are places to gamble as well. So if you're looking for any of those activities, you'll find them in any of the regular locations. If you wish to ignore them, you can do so just as well in Vegas. Indeed, there are probably more appropriate entertainment activities for youngsters than in other areas. Know of a fun place for kids around the Pasadena Convention Center? Or CSULB? Treasure Island? Sierra Nevada Brewery? Hawaii Convention Center?

CSULB has 8 miles away the queen mary, plenty to do there FREE.

[teacup]

there will be quite a few 20's and under attending, as they will be trying to qualify for SN's in jr's and DIV1A.. Some very qualified refs aren't 21 and couldn't participate in any "adult" (gambling, imbibing, clubbing, etc..) entertainment. I think this is a bad idea for the PCC's.. my opinion..

As Flechewounds pointed out, the proposed venue is at a non gaming hotel. Our family has attended events at this location in the past since my children were 13 and younger. We go to fence, not to attend shows or gamble. The venue has more than one pool and the rooms are large suites with kitchens. Often the kids order pizzas and hang out in their rooms with other young fencers, which in my opinion is preferable than hanging out in hallways or lobbies of big hotels, which kids often do at NAC's. And is less expensive and easier to co-ordinate than having large group dinners at restaurants.

Maybe Las Vegas isn't everyone's first choice but after all Las Vegas is part of the Pacific Coast section, as is Hawaii. I know how difficult it is to find available, appropriate, and affordable venues. Thanks to everyone who volunteers their time and hard work in finding venues and hosting the Pacific Coast section's large required events.

Hologram queen, thanks for volunteering to find an alternate affordable suitable venue to host these events, if not for this season then next. You should contact notalent for details. Not sure Vegas will be the Div IA/junior qualifiers and team, so the section may still need a venue for this season. Notalent, which events will be in Las Vegas?

[notalent]

We chose Vegas based on price and venue size. I got a no proposals for Sr PCCs, from any norcal venue. I had some interest in Jr PCCs from a couple of norcal folks and if they can come thru with a venue I will be more than happy to have that event in norcal.

The Alexsis Park has space for 28 strips so if we have to host Jrs Srs and Team, we can. Last season we were at CSULB and got 18 strips into the venue and likely could have squeezed in 2 more. That venue cost 8000, by contrast the AP cost 4000, with an onsite hotel for 80 a night

I did get a proposal from the Pasadena convention center but the dont have the space we need on the dates we need, they would have cost 6000 and the hotel room nights would have been 120 a night.

Ultimately there is no perfect local someone will have to travel and Vegas is an easy flight for everyone norcal and drivable for socal. If anyone wants start looking for next year they can do so now. Assuming there is a section to have championships.

[seven6ty]

I'm not particularly happy about having to trek out to LV for PCC's, but it does sound like the best deal for the venue that was around. (And agreed, if you can't find something for the kids and whole family to do in Vegas, you aren't looking very hard.) NorCal, from my short time here and what I've heard, seems to have a hard time getting a venue for an event with more than 30 people, so I'm not really aware of any decent places around here that would have the space and everything thing else that is needed.

[teacup]

I'm not particularly happy about having to trek out to LV for PCC's, but it does sound like the best deal for the venue that was around. (And agreed, if you can't find something for the kids and whole family to do in Vegas, you aren't looking very hard.) NorCal, from my short time here and what I've heard, seems to have a hard time getting a venue for an event with more than 30 people, so I'm not really aware of any decent places around here that would have the space and everything thing else that is needed.

A large SYC has been held in San Jose for the last few years. At least once an SYC has been combined with the Junior PCC, U19 SN Qualifier, in both LA, San Jose and even San Diego.

[edew]

CSULB has 8 miles away the queen mary, plenty to do there FREE.

Note that 8 miles is greater than the width (or length) of SF...

[Purple Fencer]

Note that 8 miles is greater than the width (or length) of SF...

And also that 8 miles in SoCal is about an hour and a half of travel time!

[edew]

And also that 8 miles in SoCal is about an hour and a half of travel time!

It's amazing how one can take 1.5 hours to travel 8 miles while going an average of 70 mph. I always knew those algebra word problems never dealt with real life situations.

[Piranha]

I'm personally a bit sick of Vegas fencing events (I hate the smoke and being trapped in a casino), but the Alexis Park is OK. As a NorCal fencer, though, I would certainly like to make a request for a NorCal location for PCCs in the next year or so...

[Purple Fencer]

It's amazing how one can take 1.5 hours to travel 8 miles while going an average of 70 mph. I always knew those algebra word problems never dealt with real life situations.

Try the 405 north bound around Skirball Center during rush hour...especially if someone's had a bumper-thumper anywhere south of the 405/101 interchange

I exaggerate slightly, but sometimes you DO measure travel in terms of time rather than distance down here...

[dberke]

Try the 405 north bound around Skirball Center during rush hour...especially if someone's had a bumper-thumper anywhere south of the 405/101 interchange

I exaggerate slightly, but sometimes you DO measure travel in terms of time rather than distance down here...

That's no exaggeration... I grew up in LA and have no idea how far it is between locations, but I can pretty accurately tell you how long it will take to get from point A to point B!

Dan

[Purple Fencer]

That's no exaggeration... I grew up in LA and have no idea how far it is between locations, but I can pretty accurately tell you how long it will take to get from point A to point B!

Dan

I'm just so very fortunate that 90% of my travel happens either the opposite direction from typical traffic flow (and with plenty of side streets to jump to if necessary), or so late or early that there's little traffic to begin with.

At least I no longer have that messenger service driving job anymore...the traffic patterns anywhere on the west side of the Hollywood Hills were designed by the Marquis de Sade!!

The Valley's packed with cars, but at least the street layout makes some degree of sense!

[notalent]

I'm personally a bit sick of Vegas fencing events (I hate the smoke and being trapped in a casino), but the Alexis Park is OK. As a NorCal fencer, though, I would certainly like to make a request for a NorCal location for PCCs in the next year or so...

Then by all means find a venue that can fit 24 strips. Nor Cal hasn't had any PCCs in several years, that's why I asked various folks up there to check. Only Greg Massiales got back to me, and he only wanted to do Jrs. I don't know venues in norcal I know socal and vegas. Until someone gets me info, or steps and volunteers to be chair(please do btw) its unlikely to change. Done properly running an event like this can be quite profitable, so I encourage folks to do some legwork, and find venues.

[edew]

I'm personally a bit sick of Vegas fencing events (I hate the smoke and being trapped in a casino), but the Alexis Park is OK. As a NorCal fencer, though, I would certainly like to make a request for a NorCal location for PCCs in the next year or so...

While the casino floor allows smoking (I think), all gaming tables are required to be smoke free, or have designated smoking tables. This has been the case for the past several years AFAIK. I recall playing poker at Treasure Island and noticing some of the other players would get up and leave for a while. I thought it was a piss break, but they were standing behind the railing. The dealer mentioned that the poker tables are now smoke-free and then it hit me that I didn't notice the noxious smoke.

As for NorCal location, please make a request. But try finding a suitable location.