Fencer A, a B ranked fencer, performs an advance + half-advance with a slowly unbending arm holding his 3rd spare weapon of dubious Chinese make— which is sporting a discomforting S bend from an earlier off-target AiP which was incorrectly called as a counterattack.
The ref has the sniggling feeling that he may had made the wrong call but went with it with the hope that since fencer A’s a B and Bs a U that the incorrect call wont effect the outcome of the bout. Unhappily for the ref, however, it’s just not turning out that way.
B’s lack luster fencing has lit a slew of lucky one lighters leaving the score la belle. B, whom I mentioned has a ranking which is, as yet, unranked, executes a gazelle like jump-lunge in her new blue Nike Ballestras, lands short and attempts to establish PiL by keeping PiL while recovering backwards using footwork that actually does look a little like a scene from Riverdance.
A begins a marching attack using a series of passé-avants, and advances, adapting his footwork from fast to slow to fast. B pulls the hand back as she retreats but then thrusts her FIE-BF-Blue with FIE FWF German tip with brand new grub screws towards her opponents rose colored copper lame which is looking a bit greenish in spots but still seems to pass ok. A finishes his attack with a flick to the shoulder, B finishes hers to who-knows-where and two colored lights are lit. A is wearing indoor soccer shoes.
The ref is a close personal friend of Bruce Dickenson and the match was held somewhere in Jersey.
How would this be called (and why)?
__________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
Fencer C, who was waiting to fence the winner of this bout, wins when A's and B's heads explode from the conjunction of too many fencing cliches in one action.
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For the feel of the steel,
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__________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
if the B fencer couldn't get around some "lucky counterattacks" from a female u fencer, the b fencer deserves to lose that day. They should go home, think about what they did wrong, and go to the next tournament fencing like a B fencer.
Give it to the girl who did the ballestra in the Ballestra's. I hope it was an egregious call too. Something real stupid. Say it was feint from the soccer shoes, attack from the BF blue is yes, soccer shoes counter attacks.
Matter of fact, screw that. Say it was one light. Say it was bf blue's touch and soccer shoe's landed after you called halt. Touch bf blue.
For real though, the way you describe it, it would have gone to the B rated fencer.
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Last edited by Superscribe; 10-05-2009 at 01:22 PM..
For real though, the way you describe it, it would have gone to the B rated fencer.
Are B's passe-avants not prep?
btw... when should one use vs vs in a thread?
I mean, what do THEY signify?
__________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
It depends; I would probably have to see it to call it. Do you have a video?
Is it a same or opposite handedness matchup and specifically, if there is a left-hander is the referee taking this into account, as I would.
If the left-handed beginner is fencing awkwardly and hiding behind their mask, the referee needs to consider carding the older and higher-rated fencer for having an incorrectly-set cant.
There was an incident my coach told me about when he was fencing with someone who saw the Olympics on TV in which this exact thing happened. Both fencers appealed the referee's decision and the DT annulled the touch and awarded it to the fencer with the best weight-lifting program.
EDIT: Damn. I thought there was no indication of weapon (sabre v foil) but there was just the little bit about the grub screws :P
Probably A's, considering she was moving forward and initiating attack... or it could mean that B gets a point for a nice AiP... or it could mean the judge says screw this and gives the point to the one with the larger cup size.
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But if you're looking for a serious answer, for B to have PiL it has to already be established when A begins his attack.
It's seems from the description that B broke the PiL and attempted to re-establish it, but I don't see a clear description of where there is preparation by A that would allow B time to accomplish this.
Point for A.
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Caint get nuthin past that Mr. Noodle and the OverCraig
AGH! I totally forgot socks and bandannas.
Noodle, as always, you are ON THE MONEY.. Fencer A, the B WAS wearing the ubiquitous Addida soccer socks. B, the U was wearing her school colors purple and yellow.
And Craig, now that you mention it, I seem to recall that B was wearing a pink dew-rag with lil chic skulz all over it and A was wearing a backwards baseball cap espousing the Red Sox.
Curiouser and curiouser...
__________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
... or it could mean the judge says screw this and gives the point to the one with the larger cup size.
A's a he, B's a she. I didn't think to ask either their respective cup sizes.
But here's the thing thats been keeping me up at night tossing and turning in a cold, cold sweat on 4 yr old white Egyptian cotton geometrically patterned multi-textured high thread-count sheets:
From: The Ides of March: Part 3 — Beating Marching Attacks ~10th paragraph
If the attacker is making the error of crossing their feet during the march, the defender can close their eyes and lunge without a care in the world. Crossovers are explicitly mentioned in the rules as preparations, and nothing the hand is doing can make them into an attack (t.56.a.8).
That passe avant=auto AiP thing's still in the rulebook, yet is almost universally ignored. Is this no more than a dead-letter remnant from a quainter, simpler time?
__________________ When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail."
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