Small A/B/C epee event -- attend or not?

[Redblade]

First $1000 awarded. ... You got what it takes?

Reasons for and against attending, please.

[telkanuru]

Con: it's in freeking oklahoma.

[piste off]

Con: it's in freeking oklahoma.

I guess you have not heard that Oklahoma is OK. I guess that compares to Iowa, which is "meh."

R-

[Redblade]

Con: it's in freeking oklahoma.

Cute.
Any reason more legitimate than being afraid of Oklahomans? Trying to get a serious discussion going here.

EDIT: I may have misinterpreted your (vague) statement. I apologize. Perhaps you were implying that distance is a factor.

[noodle]

Cute.
Any reason more legitimate than being afraid of Oklahomans? Trying to get a serious discussion going here.

EDIT: I may have misinterpreted your (vague) statement. I apologize. Perhaps you were implying that distance is a factor.

why would anyone outside of your region want to attend an event like this? for me, i would have to pay to fly out there and stay in a hotel.

why would i expend $500 for the chance to win $1000 and maybe fence one or two good bouts? the net possible gain is maybe +$500, not +$1k, with only a few worthwhile bouts.

sure, maybe i have a better chance than most to win the $1k, but it is still a gamble. i'd rather drop $500 on going to a NAC or ROC where i'm guaranteed to get good fencing.

[telkanuru]

Cute.
Any reason more legitimate than being afraid of Oklahomans? Trying to get a serious discussion going here.

EDIT: I may have misinterpreted your (vague) statement. I apologize. Perhaps you were implying that distance is a factor.

You're in OKLAHOMA! Distance is ALWAYS a factor!

[oiuyt]

Pro: An organizer clever enough to find a way legitimately to keep a tournament announcement in the general "Fencing Discussion" area of the forum probably does other things well too.

-B

[seven6ty]

Not.

As already mentioned, Oklahoma, and what seems like such a small field.

[Redblade]

why would anyone outside of your region want to attend an event like this? for me, i would have to pay to fly out there and stay in a hotel.

sure, maybe i have a better chance than most to win the $1k, but it is still a gamble. i'd rather drop $500 on going to a NAC or ROC where i'm guaranteed to get good fencing.

I'm curious as to how you're guaranteed to get good fencing those events and wouldn't expect good fencing at an event limited to As, Bs and Cs. Please elaborate.

[Redblade]

... and what seems like such a small field.

The idea of a "small field" is slightly misleading, when you consider the individual experience: At either a NAC, ROC or this Allstar thingy, you find yourself in a standard pool with the same number of bouts. If you're good enough to make it all the way through a DE of 64 fencers to first place -- after surviving the 80 percent cut-off out of the NAC pool -- you get to fence six bouts; in a tableau of 32 (everyone gets promoted), that total number of bouts is only decreased by one. And even the number of people you get to warm-up with before the competition doesn't change, just because the overall field is smaller.

So I'm not really sure I appreciate the "small field" perspective.

(BTW: The Rose Condon ROC regs, just days before the event? 39 epeeists, including Ds, Es and Us.)

[touchefriend]

Amen RB,
Maybe the real question is "Do I spend the money to fence new people in new places because I like to fence or because I like to spend money?" Seems a personal choice as you can get "good" fencing anywhere and possibly the fencers "somewhere else" don't have any money but are still skilled fencers.

[noodle]

I'm curious as to how you're guaranteed to get good fencing those events and wouldn't expect good fencing at an event limited to As, Bs and Cs. Please elaborate.

any given div1 nac epee pool is made of 1+ points holders, a handful of varying level A's, and a B/C or two. and then each DE is probably going to be against an A or better.

from the preregistration right now, the strength of the entire event you're holding looks to be below the strength of any given pool at a div1 nac.

[chase]

CON: oklahoma sucks.

CON: Epee sucks.

PRO: I don't have to go.

PRO: So I won't.

[whtouche]

"One big pool" and "Nac-like training" - no sense made.

[seven6ty]

Don't appreciate it? You asked for our reasons, and I gave you mine. If you don't want honest answers, I'd suggest not asking for them then. With only six people signed up, you get one round of pool bouts, and then you get to fence the same people in your DE's. I don't recognize any of those names from the national points list, and the fact that you're comparing a six person even with a 300+ entrant NAC, doesn't even begin to seem sensible. Aside from that, I'm not really following your math and "individual experience" angle on the DE's and such.

The idea of a "small field" is slightly misleading, when you consider the individual experience: At either a NAC, ROC or this Allstar thingy, you find yourself in a standard pool with the same number of bouts. If you're good enough to make it all the way through a DE of 64 fencers to first place -- after surviving the 80 percent cut-off out of the NAC pool -- you get to fence six bouts; in a tableau of 32 (everyone gets promoted), that total number of bouts is only decreased by one. And even the number of people you get to warm-up with before the competition doesn't change, just because the overall field is smaller.

So I'm not really sure I appreciate the "small field" perspective.

(BTW: The Rose Condon ROC regs, just days before the event? 39 epeeists, including Ds, Es and Us.)

[Redblade]

Don't appreciate it? You asked for our reasons, and I gave you mine. If you don't want honest answers, I'd suggest not asking for them then.

Oh, just calm down. I asked for elaboration to help me appreciate your perspective.

With only six people signed up ...

THIS is where I turn a little snarky: The list is short now, genius, because no one has signed up yet. Once people sign up, the list will be longer. Someone has to register first. ... If you put your name on the list, the next guy would see seven fencers. If he signed up, the next person would see eight, etc. So justifying your position based on early registration numbers is counter-productive to my question.

Regardless...
Thank you for your time and trouble.

[telkanuru]

THIS is where I turn a little snarky: The list is short now, genius, because no one has signed up yet. Once people sign up, the list will be longer. Someone has to register first. ... If you put your name on the list, the next guy would see seven fencers. If he signed up, the next person would see eight, etc. So justifying your position based on early registration numbers is counter-productive to my question.

This is where you lose your sanity.

Why would I put my name on the list when there are only six other fencers, since doing so requires me to spend money?

I appreciate your amazingly helpful insight that the list is short because there is no one on it, as well as your very persuasive argument for my continuing not to go to the Rose Condon ROC.

One of the things used to judge the strength of an upcoming tournament is the way it went last year. In this case, it's how the last one went. Now, I have a significant amount of respect for Dan and his ability, but if he's the best one at the tournament (as is obvious, because he won), I can't see how you can come even close to justifying comparing it to a NAC.

[Tomas N]

First $1000 awarded. ... You got what it takes?

Reasons for and against attending, please.

I'm running a bigger event the weekend before two blocks from my house. Flying to Oklahoma seems like a long ways to go.

http://askfred.net/Events/whoIsComin...nament_id=8898

Tomas

[Redblade]

Why would I put my name on the list when there are only six other fencers, since doing so requires me to spend money?

If everyone followed that same line of thought, no one would ever sign up for a tournament.

You just made my day. Thank you.

[telkanuru]

If everyone followed that same line of thought, no one would ever sign up for a tournament.

You just made my day. Thank you.

I'm sorry, most other tournaments aren't attempting to attract a national crowd. So, once again, we're back at the point where it's OKLAHOMA.