A chance for 0bama to make things right

[chase]

He should arrest Gaddafi and Acmadenajad when they're in New York and put them on death row where they belong.

[Inquartata]

Personally I think it's enough of a start that he called Kanye West a jackass. He rose a good deal in my estimation that day. ( Obama, that is, not the jackass. )

[Hauptman]

He should arrest Gaddafi and Acmadenajad when they're in New York and put them on death row where they belong.

Ok, I'll play along, Chase. Exactly why should Obama do this?

And do you think there is any reason that no other president before Obama ever did this?

[jessicasimpson]

He should arrest Gaddafi and Acmadenajad when they're in New York and put them on death row where they belong.

Yes he should avoid all of the "due process" that this country holds dearly, that should silence all of his critics that call him a Nazi

[lindajdunn]

Personally I think it's enough of a start that he called Kanye West a jackass. He rose a good deal in my estimation that day. ( Obama, that is, not the jackass. )

|_|o Smelling salts, please!

[chase]

Ok, I'll play along, Chase. Exactly why should Obama do this?

And do you think there is any reason that no other president before Obama ever did this?

Because Gaddafi is a terrorist who killed 243 Americans. He needs to pay for his crimes.

Ahmadinejad besides being the illegitimate leader of a terrorist state who isn't even wanted by his own people, and denies the holocaust, and just appointed one of the most ruthless terrorists in history to his cabinet, has supported terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah, Fatah, Hamas) and may be harboring Osama Bin Laden, and is also pursuing nuclear weapons which he will use against America and our allies. He needs to be taken out and soon, or missiles will be launched at Israel and our European allies, and "dirty bombs" will be used in terrorist attacks on US soil. We can't let that happen. He is in our grasp. We will be safer, and the oppressed people of Iran will be grateful for being liberated and we won't even need to sacrifice any more American lives in a war on Iran. Its a win-win scenario.

[chase]

Yes he should avoid all of the "due process" that this country holds dearly, that should silence all of his critics that call him a Nazi

Nice red herring. There is a clear-cut case against him. No jury would find him innocent.

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/arre...dinejad/39906/

[thereom4]

Because Gaddafi is a terrorist who killed 243 Americans. He needs to pay for his crimes.

Ahmadinejad besides being the illegitimate leader of a terrorist state who isn't even wanted by his own people, and denies the holocaust, and just appointed one of the most ruthless terrorists in history to his cabinet, has supported terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah, Fatah, Hamas) and may be harboring Osama Bin Laden, and is also pursuing nuclear weapons which he will use against America and our allies. He needs to be taken out and soon, or missiles will be launched at Israel and our European allies, and "dirty bombs" will be used in terrorist attacks on US soil. We can't let that happen. He is in our grasp. We will be safer, and the oppressed people of Iran will be grateful for being liberated and we won't even need to sacrifice any more American lives in a war on Iran. Its a win-win scenario.

It's 1:45, aren't you supposed to be in school? Because of course you're in school.....right? Did you cut school just to comment on here? I assure you, your time could be better well spent. No offense F.Netters (I mean if you are going to cut school, at least go to the mall)

Sock puppet says what?

[chase]

It's 1:45, aren't you supposed to be in school? Did you cut school just to comment on here? I assure you, your time could be better well spent.

No offense F.Netters (I mean if you are going to cut school, at least go to the mall)

I know you probably went to public school where they don't have computers, but we have laptops and wifi here. Care to actually debate me?

[thereom4]

I know you probably went to public school where they don't have computers, but we have laptops and wifi here. Care to actually debate me?

I don't believe you. And if you are actually in school and surfing the web when you should be studying or doing class work, here's hoping you get caught. You should have listened to President Obama's speech when you had the chance. Oh well.

No, I would not like to debate you. It would be pointless. I only debate debaters and people who know how to spell.

[jessicasimpson]

Nice red herring. There is a clear-cut case against him. No jury would find him innocent.

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/arre...dinejad/39906/

I am very surprised you would post a link to a 2006 article that is critical of bush. it shows growth, and I am proud of you

[Fechter1]

Nice red herring. There is a clear-cut case against him. No jury would find him innocent.

Unless of course there is an international treaty governing the treatment of diplomats on a diplomatic mission, including the prevention of prosecution (i.e. diplomatic immunity).

Diplomatic rights were established in the mid-seventeenth century in Europe and have spread throughout the world. These rights were formalized by the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which protects diplomats from being persecuted or prosecuted while on a diplomatic mission.

D'Oh...

I sincerely hope you are not advocating the US to withdraw from that treaty.

[erik_blank]

He should arrest Gaddafi and Acmadenajad when they're in New York and put them on death row where they belong.

Aside from the fact that they would by default be covered under diplomatic immunity due to the fact that they are recognized as Heads of State by the international courts, care to ennumerate the crimes that you feel they should be arrested and tried for?

Granted that Gaddafi is 'low hanging fruit' for this one... But since he was 'rehabilitated' by the Bush Administration, I'm not sure that there is much that President Obama can do there...

[Hauptman]

Because Gaddafi is a terrorist who killed 243 Americans. He needs to pay for his crimes.

Ahmadinejad besides being the illegitimate leader of a terrorist state who isn't even wanted by his own people, and denies the holocaust, and just appointed one of the most ruthless terrorists in history to his cabinet, has supported terrorist organizations (like Hezbollah, Fatah, Hamas) and may be harboring Osama Bin Laden, and is also pursuing nuclear weapons which he will use against America and our allies. He needs to be taken out and soon, or missiles will be launched at Israel and our European allies, and "dirty bombs" will be used in terrorist attacks on US soil. We can't let that happen. He is in our grasp. We will be safer, and the oppressed people of Iran will be grateful for being liberated and we won't even need to sacrifice any more American lives in a war on Iran. Its a win-win scenario.

Interesting points; let's start with the easier ones:

There is no "terrorist state". There are not Iranians committing acts of terrorism around the world. Does Iran support people who commit acts of violence in their own lands? Yes, but so does the United States. We even support people who would commit violence in Iran. The term "terrorist" really applies to whose side you're on when you're blowing someone up.

The fact that he denies the holocaust and has horrible people in his cabinet may be immoral, but it is not illegal.

Ahmadinijad is actually fairly popular among the people of Iran. Yes, there were protests, and yes, there may have been irregularities in his election, but then there is also little proof that he didn't win the election. There are people in Iran who want him gone, but then there are people in the U.S. that want Obama gone; that doesn't make either illegitimate.

Speculation that he "may" be harboring Osama bin Laden is irrelevant, as is speculation that Iran will be launching nuclear missles at it's enemies. Launching a missle would ensure their own destruction, and people in power usually like to stay in power; being blown up in a nuclear holocaust is counter to that desire.

We also have no evidence that they have nuclear weapons, and they do have the right under international law to pursue nuclear power and related technology. Are they pursuing nuclear weapons? Probably, but then we have thousands of nuclear weapons here in the U.S.; "do as I say and not as I do" is a bad way to deal with children let alone other sovereign nations.

Finally, as others have pointed out, there are reasons for rule of law, and international laws regarding diplomatic immunity. If you want to violate those laws then you make the U.S. criminal, and you also leave open the possibility of Americans being arrested and tried around the globe. Not a win-win as far as I can see.

You also ignored my last question; do you think there is any reason why no president prior to Obama never took these steps either?

Look, Chase, I understand your emotional response; Ahmadinijad is a crazy, dangerous, and reprehensible person, but that's out of our control. You need to understand the ramifications of your words and actions. It's very simple, if you were to arrest him the only result would be a replacement standing in his place in Iran within a day, and major headaches for us. Seems like a win for Iran and a loss for the U.S.

[academe]

Care to actually debate me?

Hopefully there will be no points for spelling.

[kalivor]

He should arrest Gaddafi and Acmadenajad when they're in New York and put them on death row where they belong.

I'll be watching for this episode of COPS. I hope there's a car chase.

[Inquartata]

Hopefully there will be no points for spelling.

To day nothing of split infinitives.

But you know, folks, there is TOO a "terrorist state". It's called Israel. Just ask any Palestinian, indeed almost any Arab or Persian. Or Fatfencer.

And if you ask Hugo Chavez or Kim Jong Il, probably they'd say the US is one, too.

Where you stand so often depends on where you sit...

[jessicasimpson]

Just ask Fatfencer. ;...

What was his new screen name again?

[chase]

To day nothing of split infinitives.

But you know, folks, there is TOO a "terrorist state". It's called Israel. Just ask any Palestinian, indeed almost any Arab or Persian. Or Fatfencer.

And if you ask Hugo Chavez or Kim Jong Il, probably they'd say the US is one, too.

Where you stand so often depends on where you sit...

I thought we were on the same page but apparently we're not. I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

Israel and the US are not terrorist states by any objective measurement. We don't target civilians with cowardly sucker-punch attacks, we fight like real men and win with honor.

[migopod]

I thought we were on the same page but apparently we're not. I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

Israel and the US are not terrorist states by any objective measurement. We don't target civilians with cowardly sucker-punch attacks, we fight like real men and win with honor.

How brave and honorable is it to drop white phosphorous munitions on civilian populations? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5519433.ece

If launching katusha rockets at civilian population centers is terrorism (and it totally is), then dropping banned munitions on civilain centers should qualify equally.

Israelis certainly have in the past committed actual acts of terrorism. It would be a huge stretch to accuse the US of committing terrorist acts, but the US has sponsored terrorist organizations, Al Queda comes immediately to mind, and we continue to fund terrorist organizations.

The Reagan administration just called them freedom fighters at the time.