defenseless against missiles

[jessicasimpson]

Wow, way to only acknoledge the small part of the post that agrees with you, while completely IGNORING the rest... Great strategy to make yourself look like you're actually winning an argument.

But he wins all arguments, he is part of the one true religion

[Hauptman]

There you have it. They are still aggressive. It is only a matter of time before we engage them in combat. We are at the top right now, and they all want to knock us down.

Nothing has really changed, except for them lulling some weak-minded Americans into thinking we are going to be friends with them. Those weak-minded Americans will let their desire for peace cloud reality and they will gradually disarm. When we are least suspecting (and least able) to defend ourselves, they will have an easy time destroying us.

Wow, Chase, did you even read the rest of my last post? You completely missed the point and ignored my questions to you.

You really need to pay more attention to details.

[tchwojko]

You really need to pay more attention to details.

"More"? Is there any evidence for a baseline to compare against?

[migopod]

"More"? Is there any evidence for a baseline to compare against?

Anything would be more than none at all.

[jeff]

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if chase is a real person (with extremely limited mental abilities, but a person nonetheless) or a sockpuppet for one of the other board members. Definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

[migopod]

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if chase is a real person (with extremely limited mental abilities, but a person nonetheless) or a sockpuppet for one of the other board members. Definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

He's not my sock puppet. My sock puppet hasn't ever posted.

[Philistine]

Well, I'm beginning to wonder if chase is a real person (with extremely limited mental abilities, but a person nonetheless) or a sockpuppet for one of the other board members. Definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

Yeah, I go back and forth on it.

--Philistine

[MyrddinsPrecint]

He's not my sock puppet. My sock puppet hasn't ever posted.

And yet, I know the name of your sock puppet.

Yeah, I go back and forth on it.

--Philistine

Me too.

[erooMynohtnA]

Me too.

Me three.

[migopod]

And yet, I know the name of your sock puppet.

You gotta admit that the name was just too good not to have an account squatted on.

[MyrddinsPrecint]

You gotta admit that the name was just too good not to have an account squatted on.

I really just think you're being a selfish pig about scooping it up.

[migopod]

I really just think you're being a selfish pig about scooping it up.

It's simply an object lesson. The Tragedy of the Commons exemplified.

[chase]

Here are your questions:

Chase, please explain what a missile defense shield that is radically expensive, far from effective, and a very provocative move to restart the Cold War, will actually do to stem Russian or Iranian aggression?

As I see it, launching missles is not part of any plan by the Russians or Iranians. Mutually assured destruction has kept the peace for 60 years. What has changed? And how would a missile defense system on Russia's border help us?

1. I never said it would stop them from being aggressive. They are both committed to our destruction. The sooner your side realizes this, the better. The system would do two things: 1) it would give us a foothold against them when the inevitable happens and 2) it would show them and the rest of the world that we are ready and able to fight. The world sees us right now as being beaten down and tired. Our enemies are getting ready to pounce.

2. Nothing has changed except for many Americans (ahem) forgetting that Russia is our natural enemy. That doesn't change the fact that they are still our enemy, no matter how much we want them to be our friend. We maintained the "coldness" of the Cold War by one-upping each other. Now Obama wants to let them get a leg up on us, and that's a mistake.

3. The missile defense system would help us at least in the 2 ways that I mentioned above. We might also have been able to sneak some of our own missiles into the base as well. Plus, again, since we already said that we were going to do it, and agreed with our allies that we would, we are showing our enemies that we are weak, and showing our allies that we won't keep our word.

[jessicasimpson]

Nothing has changed except for many Americans (ahem) forgetting that Russia is our natural enemy.

I think the English should be our natural enemy. This country was formed against their wishes. More so that Russia

[jessicasimpson]

The world sees us right now as being beaten down and tired.

And if they read your posts, they see us as being very stupid.

[fencerchica]

Chase missed the part about how thanks to his boy W., we po' now.

[migopod]

Chase missed the part about how thanks to his boy W., we po' now.

And at least now we're pulling back from the rogue state / intentional pariah trajectory.

[chase]

Chase missed the part about how thanks to his boy W., we po' now.

The economy was beyond his control. If your talking about how he spent money supporting the troops to keep us safe from the terrorism, it was money wisely spent because we're free to have this conversation.

[I_luv_saber]

Why was the economy out of his control but in Obama's? Goes both ways, bud. At best it would mean he was a lame duck and sat by doing nothing... at worst it means he drove us into the ground.

[Fechter1]

The economy was beyond his control. If your talking about how he spent money supporting the troops to keep us safe from the terrorism, it was money wisely spent because we're free to have this conversation.

Oy, where to begin...

Keeping us safe from terrorism: You may want to research the date 9/11/2001, what happened on that date, and the warnings that were not heeded. And to counter the inevitable counter-argument ("But America hasn't been hit since then"), America may not have been hit, but Americans HAVE, and still are, on an almost daily basis.

Money spent wisely: Are you claiming that if we (you, they) had not spent all that moolah in Iraq we would have been invaded? (I'm assuming you're talking about the cost of the war in Iraq, since that is the extraneous expense Prez Shrub II initiated...) If so, please let us know exactly who would have invaded.

Money spent supporting the troops: Like sending troops into Iraq lacking basic body armor, vehicles unsuitable to the task, lacking veterans care, etc?

Economy: Who then do you think is responsible for the economy? And please, provide some evidentiary support to this position.

Free to have this conversation: Sure we're free to HAVE the conversation, just as the NSA is free to data-mine it, along with any of your phone conversations, all without warrant. Yay freedom.