$100 Million to help setup brothels

[Slim]

Originally Posted by foibles

Malfeasance has never been limited to Enron execs, predatory lenders or Madoff types. Be it ACORN, Walmart, or whatever, a certain % of the population gets caught with their hand in the till or worse.

It seems clear that these employees worked in a culture whose mindset endorsed gaming-the-system. Not ok, in and of itself... but turning a blind eye to the exploitation and prostitution of minors takes it to a sickening new level of horrible.

If it can be shown that a significant number of ACORN employees have a game-the-system mindset, then that should be aggressively, perhaps litigiously addressed.

Yeah, but they weren't THAT under-aged.....

[keith]

Originally Posted by Slim

Wow. And I thought Hauptman was being obtuse.

Well I am confused. Fill us in on the big picture, although I refuse to do anything that involves tin foil.

All I can see is some folks visiting every ACORN office along the east coast. From this they have generated a grand total of two pieces of dubious footage, the second mightily toned down from the first.

So feel free to extrapolate to your hearts content. I'm guessing a similar in depth examination of the Salvation Army would yield much the same bad apple count.

[foibles]

Originally Posted by keith

So feel free to extrapolate to your hearts content. I'm guessing a similar in depth examination of the Salvation Army would yield much the same bad apple count.

A series of internal audits by respected external auditors might be a good idea. It would either clear their name or damn them.

[keith]

Originally Posted by foibles

A series of internal audits by respected external auditors might be a good idea. It would either clear their name or damn them.

To prove what though?

Given the evidence generated from all the efforts to prove ACORN guilty (of something, anything) you have to conclude that they are not up to some systematic dastardly plan. Of course the other explanation is that the devious bastards are smarter than all the folk out to get them....

So maybe auditors are a good idea .

[Hauptman]

Originally Posted by Slim

Yes, this was nothing but a photo-shop like fake. All the words were dubbed in. Like the Hitler videos. Bhahahahaha.

All the video is out there. Just look for it.

Clearly, you cant see the bigger picture and understand its not about prostitution. I think you know this, but are being obtuse.

But if you really are interested, give ACORN a call and ask them.

Am I being obtuse? Really? Then answer my question regarding motives. And I have not found anything online besides the heavily edited final product video that was released. Where is the complete unedited video?

Here's an analogy; there have been numerous scandals in the Catholic church regarding pedophile priests. But no one condemns the church as a whole because it is obvious to all that there is no reason for the church to be supporting pedophilia. The only place the church comes under fire is where they merely shuffled the offending priests around and attempted to brush the scandal under the rug.

In this case, I see no logical reason why ACORN would have any interest in promoting underage prostitution. And when confronted with the issue they condemned the incident and promptly fired the offending employees. I see no evidence or logic that promoting underage prostitution is an institutional issue.

And if people have issues with Michael Moore's documentaries then let's be honest about the quality of this little bit of video investigation, shall we?

[foibles]

Originally Posted by keith

To prove what though?

Given the evidence generated from all the efforts to prove ACORN guilty (of something, anything) you have to conclude that they are not up to some systematic dastardly plan. Of course the other explanation is that the devious bastards are smarter than all the folk out to get them....

So maybe auditors are a good idea .

To prove that there is, or is not a culture of gaming-the-system in either the org or at individual offices.

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but this should be determined by a legitimate audit, and not by hidden camera.

[Slim]

Originally Posted by keith

If you actually bothered to look you would see that the film makers tried and failed to secure incriminating footage at various other ACORN offices.

Yeah, I guess the evidence wasnt strong enough to make the senate take another look....

http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...58D6CW20090914

Poor ACORN. Another victim of the racist VRWC.

[Slim]

Originally Posted by Hauptman

Am I being obtuse? Really?

Yes, really. And your analogy with the catholic church was silly.

[jessicasimpson]

Originally Posted by chase

its not just about prostitution it is about bringing illegal immigrants into the country to do the prostitution. real americans arent socialists (not being racist, but look at the demographic of liberals and conservatives and tell me why things are the way they are...how many illegal immigrants want to vote republican?) so obama and his cronies cant bring about their "change" without the support of foreigners who they are interested in acomidating by thelping them with anything they can, be it with acorns tax help or obamas healthcare takeover (the honorable joe wilson was NOT lying when he pointed out obamas lie)

I know I have been joking alot about this lately, but you really are like Hitler.
You might want to re-word this, it sounds alot like "White Power"

[Bayou Bum]

Originally Posted by Slim

Yeah, I guess the evidence wasnt strong enough to make the senate take another look....

http://www.reuters.com/article/polit...58D6CW20090914

Poor ACORN. Another victim of the racist VRWC.

That's okay, today Obama gave ACORN $1.24 billion to investigate their internal policies.

[Hauptman]

Originally Posted by Slim

Yes, really. And your analogy with the catholic church was silly.

Obtuse and silly... it would be useful if you said ANYTHING to back that up. But if ad hominem is all you got....

[Hauptman]

Originally Posted by jessicasimpson

I know I have been joking alot about this lately, but really are like Hitler.
You might want to re-word this, it sounds alot like "White Power"

Chase is really living the fantasy... let's face it; "real" Americans are the ones he agrees with so I guess we're all.... fake? lol

If only I could remember the recent president who wanted to give amnesty to all of the illegal immigrants... who was it now... his name started with George Washington... damn selective memory

[jessicasimpson]

Originally Posted by Hauptman

Chase is really living the fantasy... let's face it; "real" Americans are the ones he agrees with so I guess we're all.... fake? lol

If only I could remember the recent president who wanted to give amnesty to all of the illegal immigrants... who was it now... his name started with George Washington... damn selective memory

And all of the Mexicans I know are Catholic, pro life, and pro family. They have all told me they would vote Republican, but they feel like most of the Party is Racist

[fencerchica]

Originally Posted by jessicasimpson

And all of the Mexicans I know are Catholic, pro life, and pro family. They have all told me they would vote Republican, but they feel like most of the Party is Racist

Yeah, the irony is that it's actually backhandedly fortunate that the Talibangelists are too racist to court these demographics that would support substantial chunks of their reactionary social agenda.

[Bayou Bum]

Originally Posted by fencerchica

Yeah, the irony is that it's actually backhandedly fortunate that the Talibangelists are too racist to court these demographics that would support substantial chunks of their reactionary social agenda.

Talibangelists? Racists?

You should be better than that.

[chase]

Originally Posted by Bayou Bum

Talibangelists? Racists?

You should be better than that.

since when have liberals been anything but name-callers?

[migopod]

Originally Posted by chase

since when have liberals been anything but name-callers?

Said the pot to the kettle.

[I_luv_saber]

Originally Posted by Hauptman

Chase is really living the fantasy... let's face it; "real" Americans are the ones he agrees with so I guess we're all.... fake? lol

I hate this "un-American" crap that's getting thrown around so much lately. Pelosi calling Republicans she doesn't agree with "un-American", Rush calling Obama "un-American". What the hell does that even mean? Irritating partisan politics is irritating.

[Gav]

Originally Posted by I_luv_saber

I hate this "un-American" crap that's getting thrown around so much lately. Pelosi calling Republicans she doesn't agree with "un-American", Rush calling Obama "un-American". What the hell does that even mean? Irritating partisan politics is irritating.

I was watching the BBC late night News program (Newsnight) yesterday. They were discussing the collapse of Lehman and chatting about the changes that were going to be required here. The commentators were sitting around chatting about the changing political landscape and one of them (an american iirc) leant forward and mentioned that, "Yes things had changed. You just have to look at the eyebrow raising unpleasantness going on in American politics right now to realise that." They'd wandered off topic but I thought it was an interesting comment. They were chatting about the idea of "common good". And his point was that things are now so polarised in the US that reasonable discourse is virtually impossible.

[Bayou Bum]

Originally Posted by I_luv_saber

I hate this "un-American" crap that's getting thrown around so much lately. Pelosi calling Republicans she doesn't agree with "un-American", Rush calling Obama "un-American". What the hell does that even mean? Irritating partisan politics is irritating.

It started with the Democrats using class envy as a political tool. Saying things about greed and fairness. It makes it easier to redistribute someones wealth if you first convince everyone else they don't deserve it.