09-04-2009, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim  | Anthony Kiedis's general weirdness and the "pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama" aside, it was a little bit on the fluffy hippie side of things, but overall a positive message with a lot of really admirable sentimets.
I noticed that it was from Harpo productions, or Ophra Winfrey and not produced by the Obama administration. Do you have some reason to suspect that this is what they'll be showing in classroms instead of the president's address?
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09-04-2009, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Anyone else find this a bit creepy? | Yes, I did find your post creepy.
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09-04-2009, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by migopod Anthony Kiedis's general weirdness and the "pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama" aside, it was a little bit on the fluffy hippie side of things, but overall a positive message with a lot of really admirable sentimets.
I noticed that it was from Harpo productions, or Ophra Winfrey and not produced by the Obama administration. Do you have some reason to suspect that this is what they'll be showing in classroms instead of the president's address? | Suspect? Brother, they've already done it.
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09-04-2009, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Suspect? Brother, they've already done it. | Interesting. Who is this "they" you're talking about? | |
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09-04-2009, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Suspect? Brother, they've already done it. | Already shown this instead of the president's address... that's happening next Tuesday?
Actually the only thing that's not cool about that video is the "servant to the president" language.... and of course Anthony Kiedis, who really hasn't done anything worthwhile since the first half of Blood Sugar Sex Magic.
Of course it doesn't really implicate the administration particularly since it was produced by Ophra, almost assuredly entirely of her own volition. So my analysis is: awkward with an overall good, positive message but by adding the "serve the president*" language they turn what would have otherwise been a positive and patriotic PSA into arguable propaganda. It would have been entirely acceptable if they had left out that one phrase and Anthony Kiedis.
*unless it's a COOKBOOK!
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Reason: on a positive note, at least Anthony Kiedis kept his clothes on for the whole time.
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09-04-2009, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by migopod It would have been entirely acceptable if they had left out that one phrase and Anthony Kiedis. | I'd want to know how it fit in the curriculum, and learn more about why it was being shown. I'd be surprised if it made it into our kids' school. | |
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09-04-2009, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tchwojko I'd want to know how it fit in the curriculum, and learn more about why it was being shown. I'd be surprised if it made it into our kids' school. | It's also a touch difficult to blame the Obama administration if it were, since it wasn't of their making, and given the obvious whiff of propaganda I find it very hard to believe that any administration in recent memory would think to expose themselves to the inevitable backlash.
Just like when those "George W. Bush: Our Leader" billboards started cropping up just after the 2004 election, it was 100% ClearChannel who was responsible and not Bush. I'm sure neither he nor his advisors would have considered attempting something that would have drawn the obvious comparisons to Kim Jong Il and Mao (which, of course, it did, and I considered it dumb to hang that one on Bush at the time (as much as I would have loved to have been able to, of course)).
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09-04-2009, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tchwojko I'd want to know how it fit in the curriculum, and learn more about why it was being shown. I'd be surprised if it made it into our kids' school. | Surprise. http://searchwarp.com/swa545504-Prin...edge-Video.htm
Wake up and pay attention. For your kids sake.
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09-04-2009, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim | Pay attention to what? This video was not shown in my kids schools. If it were, I'd ask questions. I'm very involved in my kids' schools.
Am I surprised that some school district somewhere did something not so bright? One word: Evolution.
Try saying something coherent. It might make you feel a bit better.
I still don't know what that video has to do with the President speaking to classrooms whose teachers opt to show it. | |
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09-04-2009, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by migopod It's also a touch difficult to blame the Obama administration if it were, since it wasn't of their making, and given the obvious whiff of propaganda I find it very hard to believe that any administration in recent memory would think to expose themselves to the inevitable backlash.
| Right...Oprah and Obama dont have an extremely close personal friendship. An H-wood isnt totally infatuated with him. Nope. O-man never would have stood for this.
Wake the F up, will ya.
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09-04-2009, 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tchwojko
Try saying something coherent. It might make you feel a bit better.
| How about this.....I feel bad for your kids.
I feel much better now. Thank you.
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09-04-2009, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim How about this.....I feel bad for your kids.
I feel much better now. Thank you. | I talk about the President's speech, you show me a Hollywood video.
I say the first is ok because being involved politically is a good thing to learn, and the second is not useful in the classroom.
You say you feel bad that my kids are getting an education where their parents stay involved in the school and understand how the curriculum works.
I don't think that's coherent. | |
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09-04-2009, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Right...Oprah and Obama dont have an extremely close personal friendship. An H-wood isnt totally infatuated with him. Nope. O-man never would have stood for this.
Wake the F up, will ya. | I'm not disputing that Obama and Ophra are friends and that she was an early, ardent and vocal supporter of his candidacy. I do however seriously doubt that he would have encouraged the "serve Obama" message. He's deffinitely smart enough to know full well how those words would be used to attack him (note, exactly how you're talking about it), and for what it's worth I think that it was a huge error to include that language in the PSA. Every single one of the other "pledges" was at worst innocuous hippie garbage and at best very responsible and admirable attitudes. Biden's mouth asside (and a few gaffes from president Obama himself), the Obama people have done a pretty good job from the very beginning at staying on message. Given the current political climate, there's no way they wouldn't have known exactly how that would play and I have a hard time believing that they would have endorsed or advocated for those specific words.
Edit: Furthermore, what I find truly amazing was that this was shown at a school in freaking Utah of all places.
Edit again just in case I wasn't clear about this bit: I am not in favor of this video being shown in public schools precisely because of the "servant to Obama" wording. I don't see the rest of the PSA as being particularly propagandist or partisan, but that single phrase is sufficient in my opinion to make it entirely unsuitable for presentation in such a forum.
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09-04-2009, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim | Yeah....heard you the first time. | |
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09-04-2009, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim  < Me (Slim)  < Also me (Slim) | At least you know.
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09-04-2009, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Slim Because I am a mean spirited non-liberal. What do you expect? We have no heart. | And you think the goverment can't do anything right, because you hate America
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Originally Posted by Hauptman How about just the simple fact that he SAYS that he's not a socialist, and hasn't behaved in anyway that RESEMBLES a socialist (at least not compared to any other president in the last hundred years).
And my point is that you might as well say he's a space alien based on the logical approach you are taking, while there is obvious reason to believe he is not a socialist.
They are not in anyway equivalent positions, unless you're leaning towards the "but we can't really prove anything" nonsense. Weak, Inq.... very weak. | Well, that wouldn't be the first lie that he told. And I suppose government ownership of GM and Banks doesn't resemble socialism. Neither does spreading the wealth and setting executive compensation. Never mind his associations and mentors. Just about everything he has done reeks of socialism. Whereas, the only obvious reason to believe he is not a socialist is because he says (when?) he's not? If he's not a socialist, then what is he?
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09-04-2009, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bayou Bum If he's not a socialist, then what is he? | Your President. | |
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| There's a difference between "being a socialist" and having certain elements of your politics that have "socialist tendencies". As was pointed out, this is nothing new, including Reagen and others. Some things are socialized and always will be. It's just a matter of deciding how much "socialism" is a good thing, and how much is not, comrade - er... I mean, effendi - er... crap. Whatever. 
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09-05-2009, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by thereom4 Your President. | Yes he is, even though I didn't vote for him. Unlike the liberals who refused to acknowledge that Bush was their President. But that doesn't answer the question. Liberals love claim that Obama is not a socialist, but they are never willing to actually say what he is. Do you dare to claim that he is a Capitalist? Personally, I think he is more fascist than socialist. And claiming that other Presidents had socialist tendencies doesn't change the fact about Obama, it is just a ploy to avoid acknowledging the truth.
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