Our dear leader going after the kids

[Slim]

I mean is this it? No jab? No "clever" quip? You ignore my post and reply with a response criticizing my sig line? K......

In any event, I hope you enjoyed it.

You're a clown.

Nothing worth responding to.

Honk Honk

[thereom4]

This video was played in a Utah public elementary school assembly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51kAw4OTlA0

"I pledge my service to Barak Obama"
"I pledge to be a servant to the president".

WTF?? Seriously, what is this bull$hite? If you cant see this for what is, which is blatant cult of personality, you're clearly lost in the fog.

Have you taken your pledge Jeff?

Seriously?

I watched the vid, and the "I pledge my service to Barak Obama" line was Anthony Kiedis' pledge. The "I pledge to be a servant to the president" line was Ashton Kutcher's pledge. Did you hear the rest of the vid or were your ears too stopped up from the lies you keep telling yourself? They were all PERSONAL pledges.

What's your pledge? No wait let me guess....

Slim: I pledge to pledge to spread convincing lies.

P.S. Are you bored or are you actually crazy?

[thereom4]

Nothing worth responding to.

Honk Honk

Your non-response is a response nonetheless.

[lindajdunn]

This has been going on for decades. What's the BFD?

I remember when Eisenhower addressed the nation on televison and teachers assigned watching the speeches as mandatory homework. [Which was a problem for those who didn't have televisions.]

[thereom4]

This has been going on for decades. What's the BFD?

I remember when Eisenhower addressed the nation on televison and teachers assigned watching the speeches as mandatory homework. [Which was a problem for those who didn't have televisions.]

You're absolutely right. My Poli sci instructors would suggest we take notes on The State of the Union. Though if you were a Poli Sci major you probably didn't need much proding. That was 5 years ago and I still take notes when I watch now.

[jeff]

I note that Slim has been to busy to respond to Philistine's excellent post showing that what Slim claimed is completely BS.

Seriously: There's a really big problem when people are so partisan that they spread malicious nonsense like Slim did in this thread, and with the slanderous comparisons to a murderous dictator. It's just as bad when people on the left equate Bush with Hitler as when people on the right liken Obama to Kim Jong Il. It's dishonest, it's childish, it trivializes real evil that exists, and it ruins all possibility of rational discourse. People who indulge in this sort of behavior are a bigger threat to democracy than any of the loony things they imagine their enemies are cooking up. If you love your country and democracy - really love it and care for it to go in the right direction, rather than "I WIN I WIN I WIN" - then you don't do this kind of crap. I'm disgusted.

[Bayou Bum]

“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.”—Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.”—Josef Stalin

“The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.”—Karl Marx

[NGV]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Kvg...eature=related

[erooMynohtnA]

Yay Obama!

[Slim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Kvg...eature=related

Good one.


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...gizes-for.html

Current Obama cabinet member "Green Czar" and self proclaimed..well, incase you missed it from the article:

In 2005 Jones told the East Bay Express that the acquittal of Rodney King's assailants in 1992 in that infamous police brutality case changed him significantly. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

Jones and other young activists in 1994 formed a group called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, rooted in Marxism and Leninsm.

No patterns here. Nope. Move along.

[Purple Fencer]

"Education is your greatest weapon. With education you are the white man's equal, without education you are his victim and so shall remain all of your lives. Study, learn, help one another always. Remember there is only poverty and misery in idleness and dreams - but in work there is self respect and independence."
Chief Plenty Coups

"Education is as indispensable as water and air"
Taha Hussein

A human being is not attaining his full heights until he is educated.
Horace Mann

A liberally educated person meets new ideas with curiosity and fascination. An illiberally educated person meets new ideas with fear.
James B. Stockdale

According to this conception, the sole function of education was to open the way to thinking and knowing, and the school, as the outstanding organ for the people's education, must serve that end exclusively.
Albert Einstein

An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't.
Anatole France

An effeminate education weakens both the mind and the body.
Edgar Quinet

Upon the education of the people of this country the fate of this country depends.
Benjamin Disraeli

Upon the subject of education, not presuming to dictate any plan or system respecting it, I can only say that I view it as the most important subject which we as a people may be engaged in. That everyone may receive at least a moderate education appears to be an objective of vital importance.
Abraham Lincoln

We are born weak, we need strength; helpless, we need aid; foolish, we need reason. All that we lack at birth, all that we need when we come to man's estate, is the gift of education.
Jean Jacques Rousseau

What sculpture is to a block of marble, education is to an human soul.
Joseph Addison

Without education, you're not going anywhere in this world.
Malcolm X

[I_luv_saber]

When I was in elementary school, my teacher had us listen to the President's speeches, take notes and write rough reports about what was being said. This is basically saying the same thing.

I will say, though, that while I don't think this is remotely creepy, I do think that in those questions you quoted I was missing one: "Should I do what the President is asking me?". This was a very important question, in addition to the others, that I learned both in and out of school. It may be in the actually site though, I don't know. Just my impression from a quick glance over the quote...

This is not just an Obama thing here either. I just think it's good to encourage questioning of all our leaders and not simply how to accomplish what they are asking us to do. It encourages free thinking, IMO.

So, no, not creepy or abnormal. Maybe just a tad flawed.

[Bayou Bum]

"Education is your greatest weapon. With education you are the white man's equal, without education you are his victim and so shall remain all of your lives. Study, learn, help one another always. Remember there is only poverty and misery in idleness and dreams - but in work there is self respect and independence."
Chief Plenty Coups

"Education is as indispensable as water and air"
Taha Hussein

A human being is not attaining his full heights until he is educated.
Horace Mann

A liberally educated person meets new ideas with curiosity and fascination. An illiberally educated person meets new ideas with fear.
James B. Stockdale

According to this conception, the sole function of education was to open the way to thinking and knowing, and the school, as the outstanding organ for the people's education, must serve that end exclusively.
Albert Einstein

An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't.
Anatole France

An effeminate education weakens both the mind and the body.
Edgar Quinet

Upon the education of the people of this country the fate of this country depends.
Benjamin Disraeli

Upon the subject of education, not presuming to dictate any plan or system respecting it, I can only say that I view it as the most important subject which we as a people may be engaged in. That everyone may receive at least a moderate education appears to be an objective of vital importance.
Abraham Lincoln

We are born weak, we need strength; helpless, we need aid; foolish, we need reason. All that we lack at birth, all that we need when we come to man's estate, is the gift of education.
Jean Jacques Rousseau

What sculpture is to a block of marble, education is to an human soul.
Joseph Addison

Without education, you're not going anywhere in this world.
Malcolm X

All good quotes about education. But not one of them mentions the GOVERNMENT! There is a huge difference between education and government education (indoctrination). Is this why liberals are so opposed to school choice and school vouchers?

[Gav]

All good quotes about education. But not one of them mentions the GOVERNMENT! There is a huge difference between education and government education (indoctrination). Is this why liberals are so opposed to school choice and school vouchers?

I'm sorry. But just because a particular establishment or method is "private" doesn't mean it's any less to do with indoctrination.

[thereom4]

This is not just an Obama thing here either. I just think it's good to encourage questioning of all our leaders and not simply how to accomplish what they are asking us to do. It encourages free thinking, IMO.

[Guided by Wire]

Which statute is this supposed to violate?

I imagine the right is keying in on a couple of different statutes in Title 20 of the U.S. Code


CHAPTER 48—DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION.
SUBCHAPTER I—GENERAL PROVISIONS.
§ 3403. Relationship with States.
(b) Curriculum, administration, and personnel; library resources.
No provision of a program administered by the Secretary or by any other officer of the Department shall be construed to authorize the Secretary or any such officer to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system, over any accrediting agency or association, or over the selection or content of library resources, textbooks, or other instructional materials by any educational institution or school system, except to the extent authorized by law.

CHAPTER 31—GENERAL PROVISIONS CONCERNING EDUCATION
SUBCHAPTER III—GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND CONDITIONS CONCERNING OPERATION AND ADMINISTRATION OF EDUCATION PROGRAMS: GENERAL AUTHORITY OF SECRETARY.
Part 2—Administration: Requirements and Limitations.
§ 1232a. Prohibition against Federal control of education.
No provision of any applicable program shall be construed to authorize any department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system, or over the selection of library resources, textbooks, or other printed or published instructional materials by any educational institution or school system, or to require the assignment or transportation of students or teachers in order to overcome racial imbalance.


However, as I read it these laws only apply to programs of the DOE, and this "event" doesn't fall under the scope.

The purpose of these laws is to prevent the Dept of Education from denying federal programs or aid to a particular school district unless they use a certain textbook, include a specific lesson plan or fire a principal active in the rival political party.

[noodle]

All good quotes about education. But not one of them mentions the GOVERNMENT! There is a huge difference between education and government education (indoctrination). Is this why liberals are so opposed to school choice and school vouchers?

i would point out that there are plenty of private schools that use indoctrination as a standard -- religious schools.

[Bayou Bum]

i would point out that there are plenty of private schools that use indoctrination as a standard -- religious schools.

Sure, but that is what choice is all about. If you don't like any of the choices, you can always home school.

And what the hypocrites had to say about Bush addressing school children:

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "

Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.

[Gav]

Sure, but that is what choice is all about. If you don't like any of the choices, you can always home school.

Yes, you can always opt out of state schooling...

There's nothing to see here. Move along.

[noodle]

Sure, but that is what choice is all about. If you don't like any of the choices, you can always home school.

1) you don't have to go to state schools.
2) what if your private school still decides to show the president? what recourse is there then?
3) its the individual school's choice to air the piece, as well as the individual teacher's choice to air the piece in their classroom. there are lots of choices involved in the airing of this piece, even beyond the choice of what school to send your kids.

Quote:
And what the hypocrites had to say about Bush addressing school children:

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.' "

Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to "start using precious dollars for campaigns" when "we are struggling for every silly dime we can get" for education programs.

i just want to point out that this is also hypocritical. years ago with a republican president, this kind of piece is ok and the democrats are just angry jerks for wanting to oppose it. today, with a democratic president, its not ok to air this kind of piece, say the republicans that used to be ok with the exact same thing. its sad to see that personal ideals are so easily sold and flipped based on what party is in the white house.