Masks with the bib target are currently required for World Cups, both junior and senior.
Domestically they are not currently required. The Board will hear a relevant motion at the Annual Meeting in a bit under three weeks (expect to see the agenda on Thursday). As indicated on their website, the FOC is recommending against adoption of the expanded target.
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
i know cadet "world cups" aren't officially FIE events, but are they going to be affected by the lame bib rule as well? is it the FIE's choice or is it up to the individual federations to decide for their own country's competitions?
this could very well affect cadet foil fencers from the US, who could fly all the way to Europe, show up to an event and then find out they have to buy a new mask because they need the lame bib.
i know cadet "world cups" aren't officially FIE events, but are they going to be affected by the lame bib rule as well? is it the FIE's choice or is it up to the individual federations to decide for their own country's competitions?
They're domestic competitions in other countries. The rules in those countries apply.
(EDIT: The European Cadet Circuit events apparently are run under CEE rules, which match the FIE rules. The foil bib target would be required for those events.)
Different countries have different announced implementation requirements. Some are already using them at the cadet level, others have definitively stated they will not be requiring them this season.
-B
Last edited by oiuyt; 09-02-2009 at 03:52 PM.
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
They're domestic competitions in other countries. The rules in those countries apply.
Different countries have different announced implementation requirements. Some are already using them at the cadet level, others have definitively stated they will not be requiring them this season.
-B
thanks for the clarification, i suppose it comes down to contacting the tournament organizers before hand. for instance, it appears that the first cadet event is in budapest in the beginning of october, it would be wise for the fencers attending to contact the organizers/hungary's federation about the issue
oiyut, do you know what countries are already implementing the requirements/stating that they will not be required? i believe italy and france have begun using the lame bib, what others have made a decision?
oiyut, do you know what countries are already implementing the requirements/stating that they will not be required? i believe italy and france have begun using the lame bib, what others have made a decision?
I know the French announced an implementation date of September 2010, so they are NOT currently using it.
I'd have to go look through my notes to find what I've seen other countries announce. On my home computer (I'm still in my office right now) I have various announcements, where I've been able to find them. And in at least a couple of cases, translations.
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
"Other major countries such as France, Germany, Italy, Britain and Spain have various timetables for their domestic implementation. To the best of our knowledge the following is the schedule of implementation for the following countries:
Great Britain - Seniors in January 2009, Juniors in September 2009
Germany - Jan. 1, 2009 for seniors, post-Belfast for Junior/Cadets
Italy - Jan. 1, 2009 for seniors, post-Belfast for Junior/Cadets
France - September 2009 for all events
Spain - Yet to decide"
So... If you are traveling to Tauber,Germany in October (Cadet WF) and Cabries,France in November, you need to bring the conductive bib mask. right?
I'm so confused
"Other major countries such as France, Germany, Italy, Britain and Spain have various timetables for their domestic implementation. To the best of our knowledge the following is the schedule of implementation for the following countries:
Great Britain - Seniors in January 2009, Juniors in September 2009
Germany - Jan. 1, 2009 for seniors, post-Belfast for Junior/Cadets
Italy - Jan. 1, 2009 for seniors, post-Belfast for Junior/Cadets
France - September 2009 for all events
Spain - Yet to decide"
So... If you are traveling to Tauber,Germany in October (Cadet WF) and Cabries,France in November, you need to bring the conductive bib mask. right?
I'm so confused
That's an outdated list, although it was accurate to the best available information at the time it was originally published (fall 2008). This speaks to Noodle's point about the lack of date stamps on the news items.
Now that I'm home and have access to the notes on this computer, all I have is French and Italian after all.
I've attached copies of the most recent announcements I have from those two NGBs, along with translations that I've made with the assistance of Google Translate. I also had at some point a translation of the Italian letter from Gladius. I don't seem to have that with my other notes.
Apologies for any awkward or incorrect bits of translation. I know no Italian and have an incomplete reading knowledge of French. Also apologies for the poor formatting of the translation of the French letter.
My understanding is that there is a plan to have a Q&A document posted to the US Fencing website in the near future on this topic. I assume, although don't know, that it will include information about which events in which countries do and do not require the bib target.
Given the importance of this topic and how loosely connected it is to the original topic and title of this thread, it may be beneficial to all involved if a new (appropriately-titled) thread were created and a moderator shifted the bib discussion there.
-B
"Oh but you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!"
Apologies for any awkward or incorrect bits of translation. I know no Italian and have an incomplete reading knowledge of French. Also apologies for the poor formatting of the translation of the French letter.
The correct translation of the Italian document is:
Competitions for which the foil electrified bib is mandatory
Senior Italian championships June 4-7, 2009;
Cadet and junior competitions from the start of the 2009/10 season (i.e., September 1, 2009)
Under 14 for all competitions from the start of the 2010/11 season (i.e., September 1, 2010)
Senior, all competitions from the start of the 2009/10 season (i.e., September 1, 2009)
In France, as of September 1, 2009, to compete in all cadet, junior and senior events you must have the electrified bib.
Anyone (don't know about veterans) who wants to compete in Italy or France in foil, must have the electrified bib as of September 1.
This letter on the Deutscher Fechter-Bund (German Fencing Federation) site indicates that conductive bibs will not be required at their domestic foil competitions until at least 1 October, 2009 (this letter was issued in November 2008 so hopefully it will soon be updated).
Masks with the bib target are currently required for World Cups, both junior and senior.
Domestically they are not currently required. The Board will hear a relevant motion at the Annual Meeting in a bit under three weeks (expect to see the agenda on Thursday). As indicated on their website, the FOC is recommending against adoption of the expanded target.
-B
My Emphasis.
I know that the electrified bib makes relatively little difference at top level (one the of the GB guys says it might get you an extra point in a DE) but why not get your guys used to using it?
Originally Posted by oiuyt 
