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    Change to Div I results and cadet team selection

    These are my comments from the National Point thread. Since pillow also made comments, I thought the discussion worthy of its own thread.
    National Point Standings Question

    The new published criteria for cadet team selection, for five of the squads, has moved Div I points from Group II to Group I. For WE Div I points will not count at all.

    In my opinion, these may be some of the ramifications of the new cadet team selection criteria:

    - Cadet fencers will no longer be able to make a cadet team without international travel. (Prior to this change, Cadet Group II were Div I and international so fencers could make cadet teams without traveling internationally. For junior fencers, Group I are domestic and Group II are international so fencers must travel internationally to make junior teams.)
    - Almost all cadet designated events do not have a strength factor calculation, so if given the choice, those with financial means will probably choose to go to weak international events to earn points rather than fence domestically at Div I's or even stronger international junior events.
    - Cadet designated events may be selected which conflict with Div I domestic events forcing fencers to choose in which event/team to compete.
    - In the case of women's epee, it would be possible to make the junior team but not the cadet team
    - In the case of women's epee, fencers who wish to try for both junior and cadet teams must travel to many more events though Div I will only count towards Junior team selection.
    - Unless the athlete's handbook's rolling points calculations are rewritten for the five squads, with WE separate, the rolling points will be radically different than the team points. (Rolling points are used for seeding and selection for junior world cup events until December.)
    - Div I points would count for Jr. WC and perhaps cadet designated eligibility until December but not for Cadet team selection
    - Many fencers will have to choose between cadet, junior and SAT date conflicts. Younger fencers who are not taking SAT tests may therefore be able to attend more events.

    It is still early, perhaps the new national coaches will reconsider team selection criteria. Events for team selection haven't yet been designated either.
    Last edited by teacup; 07-16-2009 at 03:12 PM.

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    I think its sad that the domestic World Cup next year is not designated (for women's foil at least).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fdad View Post
    I think its sad that the domestic World Cup next year is not designated (for women's foil at least).
    Is the list of all designated weapon events up on the website now--before the national coaches have been chosen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pillow View Post
    Is the list of all designated weapon events up on the website now--before the national coaches have been chosen?
    Oops, maybe I was basing this on last year's list.

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